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Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.
You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode. No worries, you think. The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through. You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange. You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence. What ?? OK, maybe I got QRMed. Try again, and same thing. You can't progress to the finish.
What you do now is left to the individual. What I did was terminate the Q and moved on. You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode. Whatever... the Q was either made or not.
What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me. HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this. Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ? Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ? I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.
This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test). It's.....The Clones !! Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV ! THEY don't have contest mode ! They can't autosequence past TX2. So, what to do about this incompatibly ? It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.
I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something). Does anyone have another idea ? If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond. Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?
-W9RM
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Keith,
I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came back with a 73 after my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.
On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:
Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.
You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode. No worries, you think. The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through. You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange. You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence. What ?? OK, maybe I got QRMed. Try again, and same thing. You can't progress to the finish.
What you do now is left to the individual. What I did was terminate the Q and moved on. You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode. Whatever... the Q was either made or not.
What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me. HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this. Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ? Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ? I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.
This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test). It's.....The Clones !! Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV ! THEY don't have contest mode ! They can't autosequence past TX2. So, what to do about this incompatibly ? It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.
I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something). Does anyone have another idea ? If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond. Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?
-W9RM
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Yes I saw this operating at W5UHF. At first I thought it was me as this was the first time I seriously operated FT8 in a contest, but Bill saw what was happening and enlightened me Those stations usually (always?) sent their grid in the CQ, which FT8 usually captured. When the station repeated the Marshall numbers, Bill told me to hit the rrr73 exchange, which gets the other guy out of the repeat mode and ends the contact. The grid is usually captured by FT8 and can be logged normally, but, if not, it is easy to fill it in by hand and log the QSO.
This seemed to happen more on Saturday than Sunday. - Duffey James Duffey KK6MC Cedar Crest NM
On Jul 22, 2019, at 09:35, Keith Morehouse < w9rm@...> wrote: Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.
You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode. No worries, you think. The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through. You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange. You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence. What ?? OK, maybe I got QRMed. Try again, and same thing. You can't progress to the finish.
What you do now is left to the individual. What I did was terminate the Q and moved on. You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode. Whatever... the Q was either made or not.
What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me. HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this. Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ? Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ? I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.
This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test). It's.....The Clones !! Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV ! THEY don't have contest mode ! They can't autosequence past TX2. So, what to do about this incompatibly ? It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.
I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something). Does anyone have another idea ? If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond. Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?
-W9RM
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Don’t worry about the NIL. I suspect that most of the guys doing that are casual contestants and won’t submit a log. James Duffey KK6MC Cedar Crest NM
On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:00, KC7QY < kc7qy@...> wrote: Keith,
I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came back with a 73 after my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.
On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse < w9rm@...> wrote:
Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.
You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode. No worries, you think. The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through. You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange. You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence. What ?? OK, maybe I got QRMed. Try again, and same thing. You can't progress to the finish.
What you do now is left to the individual. What I did was terminate the Q and moved on. You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode. Whatever... the Q was either made or not.
What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me. HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this. Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ? Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ? I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.
This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test). It's.....The Clones !! Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV ! THEY don't have contest mode ! They can't autosequence past TX2. So, what to do about this incompatibly ? It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.
I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something). Does anyone have another idea ? If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond. Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?
-W9RM
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To add a little extra confusion to the stew, I have noticed that some people, mostly on (grid) DXpeditions have been calling CQ TEST outside of contests, especially on MSK144, probably looking for the shortest possible QSOs.
My total is shown below. Very casual FT8 only. The big advantage of that mode for me is that I can sit in the bedroom watching TV with an iPad in my lap and work people via a remote desktop app.
I did work TI2 for a new DXCC, and enough grids to put me over 300 if everyone uploads to LoTW. I’m happy.
-Scott K5TA
Don’t worry about the NIL. I suspect that most of the guys doing that are casual contestants and won’t submit a log.
James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM
On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:00, KC7QY < kc7qy@...> wrote:
Keith,
I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came
back with a 73 after my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.
On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse < w9rm@...> wrote:
Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.
You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode. No worries, you think. The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate
for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through. You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange. You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back
comes a repeat - no autosequence. What ?? OK, maybe I got QRMed. Try again, and same thing. You can't progress to the finish.
What you do now is left to the individual. What I did was terminate the Q and moved on. You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode. Whatever... the Q was either made or not.
What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me. HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this. Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence
? Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ? I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.
This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test). It's.....The Clones !! Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV ! THEY don't have contest mode ! They can't autosequence
past TX2. So, what to do about this incompatibly ? It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.
I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something). Does anyone have another idea ? If a number of high
level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond. Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?
-W9RM
Keith Morehouse
via MotoG
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Scott,
Nice work on 300+!
When working the DXpedition(s) I became obsessed about stations sharing signal reports but not grids. That until Mike FKO reminded me that I had made legal contacts because I was not in a contest and therefore any exchange will pass for a legal contact...... even funny little numbers. I'll be glad when this newby confusion ends......
Bill W7QQ
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 1:29 PM Scott K5TA < k5ta@...> wrote:
To add a little extra confusion to the stew, I have noticed that some people, mostly on (grid) DXpeditions have been calling CQ TEST outside of contests, especially on MSK144, probably looking for the shortest possible QSOs.
My total is shown below. Very casual FT8 only. The big advantage of that mode for me is that I can sit in the bedroom watching TV with an iPad in my lap and work people via a remote desktop app.
I did work TI2 for a new DXCC, and enough grids to put me over 300 if everyone uploads to LoTW. I’m happy.
-Scott K5TA
Don’t worry about the NIL. I suspect that most of the guys doing that are casual contestants and won’t submit a log.
James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM
On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:00, KC7QY < kc7qy@...> wrote:
Keith,
I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came
back with a 73 after my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.
On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse < w9rm@...> wrote:
Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.
You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode. No worries, you think. The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate
for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through. You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange. You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back
comes a repeat - no autosequence. What ?? OK, maybe I got QRMed. Try again, and same thing. You can't progress to the finish.
What you do now is left to the individual. What I did was terminate the Q and moved on. You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode. Whatever... the Q was either made or not.
What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me. HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this. Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence
? Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ? I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.
This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test). It's.....The Clones !! Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV ! THEY don't have contest mode ! They can't autosequence
past TX2. So, what to do about this incompatibly ? It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.
I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something). Does anyone have another idea ? If a number of high
level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond. Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?
-W9RM
Keith Morehouse
via MotoG
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Scott - There were a couple of times when I heard you calling CQ on FT8 that I used the free form message to see if you would QSY to 2M. I never got a response, I wonder if you got the message or not. If you got it and didn’t want to QSY, that is OK, I see you were 6M only. If you got it and didn’t understand I would like to know that too, so I can change my technique in the future. - Duffey James Duffey KK6MC Cedar Crest NM
On Jul 22, 2019, at 14:14, Bill < bill4070@...> wrote: Scott,
Nice work on 300+!
When working the DXpedition(s) I became obsessed about stations sharing signal reports but not grids. That until Mike FKO reminded me that I had made legal contacts because I was not in a contest and therefore any exchange will pass for a legal contact...... even funny little numbers. I'll be glad when this newby confusion ends......
Bill W7QQ
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 1:29 PM Scott K5TA < k5ta@...> wrote:
To add a little extra confusion to the stew, I have noticed that some people, mostly on (grid) DXpeditions have been calling CQ TEST outside of contests, especially on MSK144, probably looking for the shortest possible QSOs.
My total is shown below. Very casual FT8 only. The big advantage of that mode for me is that I can sit in the bedroom watching TV with an iPad in my lap and work people via a remote desktop app.
I did work TI2 for a new DXCC, and enough grids to put me over 300 if everyone uploads to LoTW. I’m happy.
-Scott K5TA
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Don’t worry about the NIL. I suspect that most of the guys doing that are casual contestants and won’t submit a log.
James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM
On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:00, KC7QY < kc7qy@...> wrote:
Keith,
I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came
back with a 73 after my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.
On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse < w9rm@...> wrote:
Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.
You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode. No worries, you think. The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate
for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through. You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange. You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back
comes a repeat - no autosequence. What ?? OK, maybe I got QRMed. Try again, and same thing. You can't progress to the finish.
What you do now is left to the individual. What I did was terminate the Q and moved on. You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode. Whatever... the Q was either made or not.
What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me. HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this. Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence
? Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ? I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.
This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test). It's.....The Clones !! Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV ! THEY don't have contest mode ! They can't autosequence
past TX2. So, what to do about this incompatibly ? It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.
I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something). Does anyone have another idea ? If a number of high
level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond. Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?
-W9RM
Keith Morehouse
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Yes, I got the message, and replied — I guess I should have tried to put your call in there to “make it red” but couldn’t figure how to jam it all in quickly. You would have had to know my TX freq to be sure who was talking.
-TA
Scott - There were a couple of times when I heard you calling CQ on FT8 that I used the free form message to see if you would QSY to 2M. I never got a response, I wonder if you got the message or not. If you got it and didn’t want to QSY, that
is OK, I see you were 6M only. If you got it and didn’t understand I would like to know that too, so I can change my technique in the future. - Duffey
James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM
Scott,
Nice work on 300+!
When working the DXpedition(s) I became obsessed about stations sharing signal reports but not grids. That until Mike FKO reminded me that I had made legal contacts because I was not in a contest and therefore any exchange will pass for a legal contact......
even funny little numbers. I'll be glad when this newby confusion ends......
Bill W7QQ
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 1:29 PM Scott K5TA < k5ta@...> wrote:
To add a little extra confusion to the stew, I have noticed that some people, mostly on (grid) DXpeditions have been calling CQ TEST outside of contests, especially on MSK144, probably looking for the shortest possible QSOs.
My total is shown below. Very casual FT8 only. The big advantage of that mode for me is that I can sit in the bedroom watching TV with an iPad in my lap and work people via a remote desktop app.
I did work TI2 for a new DXCC, and enough grids to put me over 300 if everyone uploads to LoTW. I’m happy.
-Scott K5TA
<image1.jpeg>
Don’t worry about the NIL. I suspect that most of the guys doing that are casual contestants and won’t submit a log.
James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM
On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:00, KC7QY < kc7qy@...> wrote:
Keith,
I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came back with a 73 after
my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.
On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse < w9rm@...> wrote:
Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.
You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode. No worries, you think. The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate
for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through. You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange. You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back
comes a repeat - no autosequence. What ?? OK, maybe I got QRMed. Try again, and same thing. You can't progress to the finish.
What you do now is left to the individual. What I did was terminate the Q and moved on. You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode. Whatever... the Q was either made or not.
What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me. HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this. Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence
? Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ? I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.
This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test). It's.....The Clones !! Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV ! THEY don't have contest mode ! They can't autosequence
past TX2. So, what to do about this incompatibly ? It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.
I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something). Does anyone have another idea ? If a number of high
level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond. Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?
-W9RM
Keith Morehouse
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