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DM95

Arne N7KA
 

I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14.  I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him  an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked.   He is in Amarillo.  N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.


Arne N7KA

Keith Morehouse
 

Thanks for the heads up Arne.  I'll keep a lookout for him.

-W9RM

Keith Morehouse
via MotoG

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 8:52 AM Arne N7KA <N7KA@...> wrote:

I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14.  I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him  an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked.   He is in Amarillo.  N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.


Arne N7KA

Ed
 

MSK  144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help. Just MHO

 

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ED  N5JEH   DM65RD

 

From: Arne N7KA
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM
To: NMVHF
Subject: [nmvhf] DM95

 

I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14.  I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him  an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked.   He is in Amarillo.  N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.

 

Arne N7KA

 

Arne N7KA
 

I am  hearing him and decoding.


Arne N7KA

On September 13, 2019 at 10:20 AM Ed <n5jeh@...> wrote:

MSK  144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help. Just MHO

 

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ED  N5JEH   DM65RD

 

From: Arne N7KA
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM
To: NMVHF
Subject: [nmvhf] DM95

 

I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14.  I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him  an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked.   He is in Amarillo.  N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.

 

Arne N7KA

 

 


 


 

Steve London
 

Why ? Are you saying that the only mechanism that could support a QSO is meteor scatter ?

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 09/13/2019 10:20 AM, Ed wrote:
MSK  144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help. Just MHO
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*ED  N5JEH   DM65RD*
*From: *Arne N7KA <mailto:N7KA@...>
*Sent: *Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM
*To: *NMVHF <mailto:nmvhf@groups.io>
*Subject: *[nmvhf] DM95
I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14.  I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him  an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked.   He is in Amarillo.  N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.
Arne N7KA

Ed
 

No just shorter requirement for a exchange. A  short ping on FT8 is useless but a contact can be made with msk with nothing but short pings. Takes a lot of time however

 

Ed N5jeh

 

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From: Steve London
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 10:32 AM
To: nmvhf@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nmvhf] DM95

 

Why ? Are you saying that the only mechanism that could support a QSO is meteor

scatter ?

 

73,

Steve, N2IC

 

On 09/13/2019 10:20 AM, Ed wrote:

> MSK  144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help.

> Just MHO

>

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

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> *ED  N5JEH   DM65RD*

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> *From: *Arne N7KA <mailto:N7KA@...>

> *Sent: *Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM

> *To: *NMVHF <mailto:nmvhf@groups.io>

> *Subject: *[nmvhf] DM95

>

> I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14.  I am trying to work

> him for new 6M grid and sent him  an email about looking this way and into

> Olathe during the contest this weeked.   He is in Amarillo.  N5EPA might have a

> good chance, possibly W7QQ.

>

> Arne N7KA

>

>

 

 

 

Keith Morehouse
 

FT8 officially sucks as a mode when there is meteor scatter mixed in.  Just a single big ping of scatter within FT8's 15 sec receive window will likely prevent a decode on a weak signal.

I suspect FT4 would suffer the same.. maybe worse.

-W9RM

Keith Morehouse
via MotoG

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 10:38 AM Ed <n5jeh@...> wrote:

No just shorter requirement for a exchange. A  short ping on FT8 is useless but a contact can be made with msk with nothing but short pings. Takes a lot of time however

 

Ed N5jeh

 

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From: Steve London
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 10:32 AM
To: nmvhf@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nmvhf] DM95

 

Why ? Are you saying that the only mechanism that could support a QSO is meteor

scatter ?

 

73,

Steve, N2IC

 

On 09/13/2019 10:20 AM, Ed wrote:

> MSK  144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help.

> Just MHO

>

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

>

> *ED  N5JEH   DM65RD*

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> *From: *Arne N7KA <mailto:N7KA@...>

> *Sent: *Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM

> *To: *NMVHF <mailto:nmvhf@groups.io>

> *Subject: *[nmvhf] DM95

>

> I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14.  I am trying to work

> him for new 6M grid and sent him  an email about looking this way and into

> Olathe during the contest this weeked.   He is in Amarillo.  N5EPA might have a

> good chance, possibly W7QQ.

>

> Arne N7KA

>

>

 

 

 

Ed
 

164315 22 5.6 1503 & N7KA N5KS DM95

 

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From: Arne N7KA
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 10:29 AM
To: nmvhf@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nmvhf] DM95

 

I am  hearing him and decoding.

 

Arne N7KA

On September 13, 2019 at 10:20 AM Ed <n5jeh@...> wrote:

MSK  144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help. Just MHO

 

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ED  N5JEH   DM65RD

 

From: Arne N7KA
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM
To: NMVHF
Subject: [nmvhf] DM95

 

I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14.  I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him  an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked.   He is in Amarillo.  N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.

 

Arne N7KA

 

 


 


 

 

KC7QY
 

Arne,

I saw you calling him yesterday on FT8 but never did get a decode from him. I did get a couple decodes today on MSK144 of him calling you.

Jim KC7QY


On Friday, September 13, 2019, 10:29:33 AM MDT, Arne N7KA <N7KA@...> wrote:


I am  hearing him and decoding.


Arne N7KA
On September 13, 2019 at 10:20 AM Ed <n5jeh@...> wrote:

MSK  144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help. Just MHO

 

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ED  N5JEH   DM65RD

 

From: Arne N7KA
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM
To: NMVHF
Subject: [nmvhf] DM95

 

I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14.  I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him  an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked.   He is in Amarillo.  N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.

 

Arne N7KA

 

 


 


 

James Duffey
 

Steve - I think he is talking between Amarillo and Olathe. That is pretty long for Troposcatter.

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Sep 13, 2019, at 10:32, Steve London <n2ic@...> wrote:

Why ? Are you saying that the only mechanism that could support a QSO is meteor scatter ?

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 09/13/2019 10:20 AM, Ed wrote:
MSK 144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help. Just MHO
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*ED N5JEH DM65RD*
*From: *Arne N7KA <mailto:N7KA@...>
*Sent: *Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM
*To: *NMVHF <mailto:nmvhf@groups.io>
*Subject: *[nmvhf] DM95
I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14. I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked. He is in Amarillo. N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.
Arne N7KA

James Duffey
 

I would think that FT4 would be better than FT8 with respect to meteor scatter. The time interval is half, so the odds of a meteor ping are halved too I think. 

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Sep 13, 2019, at 10:44, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:

FT8 officially sucks as a mode when there is meteor scatter mixed in.  Just a single big ping of scatter within FT8's 15 sec receive window will likely prevent a decode on a weak signal.

I suspect FT4 would suffer the same.. maybe worse.

-W9RM

Keith Morehouse
via MotoG

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 10:38 AM Ed <n5jeh@...> wrote:

No just shorter requirement for a exchange. A  short ping on FT8 is useless but a contact can be made with msk with nothing but short pings. Takes a lot of time however

 

Ed N5jeh

 

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From: Steve London
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 10:32 AM
To: nmvhf@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nmvhf] DM95

 

Why ? Are you saying that the only mechanism that could support a QSO is meteor

scatter ?

 

73,

Steve, N2IC

 

On 09/13/2019 10:20 AM, Ed wrote:

> MSK  144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help.

> Just MHO

>

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

>

> *ED  N5JEH   DM65RD*

>

> *From: *Arne N7KA <mailto:N7KA@...>

> *Sent: *Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM

> *To: *NMVHF <mailto:nmvhf@groups.io>

> *Subject: *[nmvhf] DM95

>

> I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14.  I am trying to work

> him for new 6M grid and sent him  an email about looking this way and into

> Olathe during the contest this weeked.   He is in Amarillo.  N5EPA might have a

> good chance, possibly W7QQ.

>

> Arne N7KA

>

>

 

 

 

KD
 

I hope we are able to make the contact Arne, and if anyone else needs my grid, please contact me.  I am usually available on Slack, ON4KST, NMVHF chat and Ping Central.  BTW, I am fairly new to 6M and 2M and am learning the ropes.  As a newbie, I am open to ideas and criticisms.

73 de N5KS - KD

James Duffey
 

KD - Look for KK6MC/r on meteor scatter Sunday morning. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:49, KD <n5ks@...> wrote:

I hope we are able to make the contact Arne, and if anyone else needs my grid, please contact me.  I am usually available on Slack, ON4KST, NMVHF chat and Ping Central.  BTW, I am fairly new to 6M and 2M and am learning the ropes.  As a newbie, I am open to ideas and criticisms.

73 de N5KS - KD

Steve London
 

Albuquerque-to-Amarillo: 269 miles. Once you get over the Sandia's, it's a mostly downhill-to-flat path.

Olathe-to-Amarillo: 410 miles.

For reference, My QTH in DM52XT to Santa Fe is 240 miles. Can work W7QQ on 6 and 2.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 09/13/2019 10:29 AM, Arne N7KA wrote:
I am  hearing him and decoding.
Arne N7KA
On September 13, 2019 at 10:20 AM Ed <n5jeh@...> wrote:

MSK  144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help. Just MHO

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*ED  N5JEH   DM65RD *

*From: *Arne N7KA <mailto:N7KA@...>
*Sent: *Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM
*To: *NMVHF <mailto:nmvhf@groups.io>
*Subject: *[nmvhf] DM95

I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14.  I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him  an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked.   He is in Amarillo.  N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.

Arne N7KA

James Duffey
 

I was referring to the Olathe-Amarillo path. Tropo losses rise steeply beyond 300 miles. Six and two are not too different with respect to the plot below. Meteor scatter starts to overcome tropo at about 350 miles, depending on station capability. WSJT-X helps, but at those distances MSK144 is probably better than FT8 or FT4 for that path. Typical modest station capability on 2M is about 200dB, less on 6M roughly by the difference in antenna gains.

The difference in large part is due to the height of the scattering media; for troposatter it is about 35,000 ft or below, for meteor scatter is it 60 miles or so. - Duffey


James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Sep 13, 2019, at 13:42, Steve London <n2ic@...> wrote:

Albuquerque-to-Amarillo: 269 miles. Once you get over the Sandia's, it's a mostly downhill-to-flat path.

Olathe-to-Amarillo: 410 miles.

For reference, My QTH in DM52XT to Santa Fe is 240 miles. Can work W7QQ on 6 and 2.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 09/13/2019 10:29 AM, Arne N7KA wrote:
I am hearing him and decoding.
Arne N7KA
On September 13, 2019 at 10:20 AM Ed <n5jeh@...> wrote:

MSK 144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help. Just MHO

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*ED N5JEH DM65RD *

*From: *Arne N7KA <mailto:N7KA@...>
*Sent: *Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM
*To: *NMVHF <mailto:nmvhf@groups.io>
*Subject: *[nmvhf] DM95

I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14. I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked. He is in Amarillo. N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.

Arne N7KA

James Duffey
 

Steve - Are you going to be on 2M this weekend? - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Sep 13, 2019, at 13:42, Steve London <n2ic@...> wrote:

Albuquerque-to-Amarillo: 269 miles. Once you get over the Sandia's, it's a mostly downhill-to-flat path.

Olathe-to-Amarillo: 410 miles.

For reference, My QTH in DM52XT to Santa Fe is 240 miles. Can work W7QQ on 6 and 2.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 09/13/2019 10:29 AM, Arne N7KA wrote:
I am hearing him and decoding.
Arne N7KA
On September 13, 2019 at 10:20 AM Ed <n5jeh@...> wrote:

MSK 144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help. Just MHO

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*ED N5JEH DM65RD *

*From: *Arne N7KA <mailto:N7KA@...>
*Sent: *Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM
*To: *NMVHF <mailto:nmvhf@groups.io>
*Subject: *[nmvhf] DM95

I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14. I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked. He is in Amarillo. N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.

Arne N7KA

Steve London
 

Sorry, no.

On 09/13/2019 03:08 PM, James Duffey wrote:
Steve - Are you going to be on 2M this weekend? - Duffey
James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Sep 13, 2019, at 13:42, Steve London <n2ic@...> wrote:

Albuquerque-to-Amarillo: 269 miles. Once you get over the Sandia's, it's a mostly downhill-to-flat path.

Olathe-to-Amarillo: 410 miles.

For reference, My QTH in DM52XT to Santa Fe is 240 miles. Can work W7QQ on 6 and 2.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 09/13/2019 10:29 AM, Arne N7KA wrote:
I am hearing him and decoding.
Arne N7KA
On September 13, 2019 at 10:20 AM Ed <n5jeh@...> wrote:

MSK 144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation to help. Just MHO

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*ED N5JEH DM65RD *

*From: *Arne N7KA <mailto:N7KA@...>
*Sent: *Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM
*To: *NMVHF <mailto:nmvhf@groups.io>
*Subject: *[nmvhf] DM95

I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14. I am trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him an email about looking this way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked. He is in Amarillo. N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.

Arne N7KA