CQ VHF and contest rule


Jonesy W3DHJ
 

CQ WW VHF says: "Participation is limited to club members residing
within a 250 mile radius circle from the center of club area."

Research shows "Flight distance from Albuquerque to Pueblo (Albuquerque
International Sunport – Pueblo Memorial Airport) is 253 miles."

I live 3-plus miles south of the PUB airport.
And, note: CQ WW VHF does say "residing"!
Therefore I _reside_ less than 249 miles from the ABQ airport.
However I obviously do not rover where I reside.

I'll be /ROVER around 25 miles south of the airport _AND_
about 55 miles east ( +/- 5 miles around 38°N, 104°W ) which
probably is sometimes < 250 miles and other times > 250 miles distant.

Just where has the "... center of club area" been defined by the NMVHF?

In the past I have added the NMVHF Club on my CQ WW VHF contest entries.
But, maybe I've been in error?


Curious I am:
What would a 5-Land rover do if they started at their club center in
Brownsville, Texas and rovered all the way to International Falls,
Minnesota?

Curious minds,
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK


James Duffey
 

Jonesy - The ABQ airport is a good club center at this point. That should cover pretty much everyone in NM, you, the El Paso group, and W9RM, I think. If that is not adequate, I can adjust it. - DUffey KK6MC
KK6MC
James Duffey
Cedar Crest NM
jamesduffey@...

On Jul 13, 2022, at 14:02, Jonesy W3DHJ via groups.io <mailserver@...> wrote:

CQ WW VHF says: "Participation is limited to club members residing
within a 250 mile radius circle from the center of club area."

Research shows "Flight distance from Albuquerque to Pueblo (Albuquerque
International Sunport – Pueblo Memorial Airport) is 253 miles."

I live 3-plus miles south of the PUB airport.
And, note: CQ WW VHF does say "residing"!
Therefore I _reside_ less than 249 miles from the ABQ airport.
However I obviously do not rover where I reside.

I'll be /ROVER around 25 miles south of the airport _AND_
about 55 miles east ( +/- 5 miles around 38°N, 104°W ) which
probably is sometimes < 250 miles and other times > 250 miles distant.

Just where has the "... center of club area" been defined by the NMVHF?

In the past I have added the NMVHF Club on my CQ WW VHF contest entries.
But, maybe I've been in error?


Curious I am:
What would a 5-Land rover do if they started at their club center in
Brownsville, Texas and rovered all the way to International Falls,
Minnesota?

Curious minds,
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK





James Duffey
 

I think for CQ WW VHF as long as part of the rove is within club territory, the entire score counts. That is not the way it is for ARRL contest though.  I will check the rules. - Duffey KK6MC



Curious I am:
What would a 5-Land rover do if they started at their club center in
Brownsville, Texas and rovered all the way to International Falls,
Minnesota?

Curious minds,
Jonesy
-- 
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK










Jonesy W3DHJ
 

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022, James Duffey wrote:

I think for CQ WW VHF as long as part of the rove is within club
territory, the entire score counts. That is not the way it is for ARRL
contest though. I will check the rules. - Duffey KK6MC

Curious I am:
What would a 5-Land rover do if they started at their club center in
Brownsville, Texas and rovered all the way to International Falls,
Minnesota?
Yep, the ARRL rules are more complicated. The rover needs to submit a
summary sheet for the contacts _outside_ the club circle.
Although I dunno how you put a summary sheet into Cabrillo format.
HI!HI!

The CQ rules have always seemed simple - yet vague at the margins.

Jonesy


James Duffey
 

I have done that in the past, identifying which QSOs were outside the club territory in the “Soapbox” section of the header. I think it worked, but it is an awkward way to do things. - Duffey KK6MC

On Jul 13, 2022, at 14:43, Jonesy W3DHJ via groups.io <mailserver@...> wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022, James Duffey wrote:

I think for CQ WW VHF as long as part of the rove is within club
territory, the entire score counts. That is not the way it is for ARRL
contest though. I will check the rules. - Duffey KK6MC

Curious I am:
What would a 5-Land rover do if they started at their club center in
Brownsville, Texas and rovered all the way to International Falls,
Minnesota?
Yep, the ARRL rules are more complicated. The rover needs to submit a
summary sheet for the contacts _outside_ the club circle.
Although I dunno how you put a summary sheet into Cabrillo format.
HI!HI!

The CQ rules have always seemed simple - yet vague at the margins.

Jonesy





Keith Morehouse
 

If I recall correctly, there is no circle for ARRL contests.  The club is set up as a regional entity, encompassing only the state of NM.

I still send in logs crediting NMVHFS though :)

-W9RM 

Keith Morehouse
via Moto G6


On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 1:43 PM Jonesy W3DHJ via groups.io <mailserver=jonz.net@groups.io> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022, James Duffey wrote:

>I think for CQ WW VHF as long as part of the rove is within club
>territory, the entire score counts. That is not the way it is for ARRL
>contest though.  I will check the rules. - Duffey KK6MC
>>>
>>> Curious I am:
>>> What would a 5-Land rover do if they started at their club center in
>>> Brownsville, Texas and rovered all the way to International Falls,
>>> Minnesota?

Yep, the ARRL rules are more complicated.  The rover needs to submit a
summary sheet for the contacts _outside_ the club circle.
Although I dunno how you put a summary sheet into Cabrillo format.
HI!HI!

The CQ rules have always seemed simple - yet vague at the margins.

Jonesy






James Duffey
 

Keith - Yes, that is true, I got confused with the ARRL 222 and up contest, for which one must define a circle. Sorry. The one I did for that was a real chore to get everyone in the circle, but it worked in the end. Good luck in the contest; I wish I could join you. - Duffey KK6MC


On Jul 13, 2022, at 14:50, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:

If I recall correctly, there is no circle for ARRL contests.  The club is set up as a regional entity, encompassing only the state of NM.

I still send in logs crediting NMVHFS though :)

-W9RM 

Keith Morehouse
via Moto G6

On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 1:43 PM Jonesy W3DHJ via groups.io <mailserver=jonz.net@groups.io> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022, James Duffey wrote:

>I think for CQ WW VHF as long as part of the rove is within club
>territory, the entire score counts. That is not the way it is for ARRL
>contest though.  I will check the rules. - Duffey KK6MC
>>>
>>> Curious I am:
>>> What would a 5-Land rover do if they started at their club center in
>>> Brownsville, Texas and rovered all the way to International Falls,
>>> Minnesota?

Yep, the ARRL rules are more complicated.  The rover needs to submit a
summary sheet for the contacts _outside_ the club circle.
Although I dunno how you put a summary sheet into Cabrillo format.
HI!HI!

The CQ rules have always seemed simple - yet vague at the margins.

Jonesy







Jonesy W3DHJ
 

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022, James Duffey wrote:

Jonesy - The ABQ airport is a good club center at this point. That
should cover pretty much everyone in NM, you, the El Paso group, and
W9RM, I think. If that is not adequate, I can adjust it. - DUffey
KK6MC
Thanks!

I just did a lat/lon to lat/lon distance check using an online web page.

35.0844° N, 106.6504° W (ABQ airport)
-to -
38.0000° N, 104.0000° W (corner DM77,78,87,88)

is 249 statute miles ("rounded to the nearest unit").

So, I'm gonna (continue to) call me a /rover member of the NMVHF
Group in the CQ WW VHF. My DM77 contacts would for sure be within
250 miles. DM88 probably not, but what the hell.

(The junction of I-25 and I-40 would completely cover me.)

And, Like Keith mentioned, I'll just do it for the ARRL VHF as well.

Thanks for the replies!
73,
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK