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2020 JAN VHF


Jonesy W3DHJ
 

Duffey,

That was one hell of a write-up you did for the 2020 ARRL JAN VHF!
I can't even imagine the amount of time and effort that you put
into that!

I thank you. I'm sure we all thank you.
Good on you, mate!

73
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK


James Duffey
 

Thanks Jonesy.

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 8, 2020, at 06:46, Jonesy W3DHJ via groups.io <mailserver=jonz.net@groups.io> wrote:

Duffey,

That was one hell of a write-up you did for the 2020 ARRL JAN VHF!
I can't even imagine the amount of time and effort that you put
into that!

I thank you. I'm sure we all thank you.
Good on you, mate!

73
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK



Mike WB2FKO
 

The historical reference to Joe Taylor and his brother along with VHF contests of the past was excellent!

Mike WB2FKO

On 7/8/20 9:19 AM, James Duffey wrote:
Thanks Jonesy.

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 8, 2020, at 06:46, Jonesy W3DHJ via groups.io <mailserver=jonz.net@groups.io> wrote:

Duffey,

That was one hell of a write-up you did for the 2020 ARRL JAN VHF!
I can't even imagine the amount of time and effort that you put
into that!

I thank you. I'm sure we all thank you.
Good on you, mate!

73
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK



James Duffey
 

Thanks Mike, I appreciate the comments and they are well received here. Some times when I get bogged down writing these things I get discouraged and comments like yours make it all worthwhile.

I wanted to write a bit on how the use of FT8 has changed the contest, but I realized that I could not do that without writing about the history of the contest and how it has changed over the years. So, that was how that all came about.

When I first started roving I spent a long time studying various VHF propagation modes, particularly with regards to contesting. That led me to Joe’s article on using scatter to make more contacts at greater distances in the VHF contests. That article, though quantitative, still contains information that is useful today. Anyway, looking at past contest results as part of that I found the picture of 16 year old Joe and how he and his brother really changed VHF contesting. I filed that away for future use and that time finally came. It all fits together nicely, puts WSJT into perspective, and I think most importantly, it shows that it is not a recent development, but is obviously a result of Joe’s early experience in contesting.

With the quarantine at ARRL HQ, finding a copy of the picture suitable for the article turned out to be an effort for the editors.

Again, thanks for the kind words. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 8, 2020, at 09:02, Mike H <mph@...> wrote:

The historical reference to Joe Taylor and his brother along with VHF contests of the past was excellent!

Mike WB2FKO

On 7/8/20 9:19 AM, James Duffey wrote:
Thanks Jonesy.

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 8, 2020, at 06:46, Jonesy W3DHJ via groups.io <mailserver=jonz.net@groups.io> wrote:
Duffey,

That was one hell of a write-up you did for the 2020 ARRL JAN VHF!
I can't even imagine the amount of time and effort that you put
into that!

I thank you. I'm sure we all thank you.
Good on you, mate!

73
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK




Jay
 

I know I sent you a direct message Duffey, but I too agree that this was an excellent write up.  It is a travesty that this information is NOT included in the print version of QST.  A wealth of information and a lot of great data showing positive activity trends and band/mode utilization.  Great summaries like this NEED to be out in the public eye to generate more activity for all of us to benefit from.

Well done my man.   Coffee or drink of choice on me at Yuma 2021!  (Fingers crossed).

 - Jay N1AV

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:26 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
Thanks Mike, I appreciate the comments and they are well received here. Some times when I get bogged down writing these things I get discouraged and comments like yours make it all worthwhile.

I wanted to write a bit on how the use of FT8 has changed the contest, but I realized that I could not do that without writing about the history of the contest and how it has changed over the years. So, that was how that all came about.

When I first started roving I spent a long time studying various VHF propagation modes, particularly with regards to contesting. That led me to Joe’s article on using scatter to make more contacts at greater distances in the VHF contests. That article, though quantitative, still contains information that is useful today. Anyway, looking at past contest results as part of that I found the picture of 16 year old Joe and how he and his brother really changed VHF contesting. I filed that away for future use and that time finally came. It all fits together nicely, puts WSJT into perspective, and I think most importantly, it shows that it is not a recent development, but is obviously a result of Joe’s early experience in contesting.

With the quarantine at ARRL HQ, finding a copy of the picture suitable for the article turned out to be an effort for the editors.

Again, thanks for the kind words. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

> On Jul 8, 2020, at 09:02, Mike H <mph@...> wrote:
>
> The historical reference to Joe Taylor and his brother along with VHF contests of the past was excellent!
>
> Mike WB2FKO
>
>> On 7/8/20 9:19 AM, James Duffey wrote:
>> Thanks Jonesy.
>>
>> James Duffey KK6MC
>> Cedar Crest NM
>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 06:46, Jonesy W3DHJ via groups.io <mailserver=jonz.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Duffey,
>>>
>>> That was one hell of a write-up you did for the 2020 ARRL JAN VHF!
>>> I can't even imagine the amount of time and effort that you put
>>> into that!
>>>
>>> I thank you.  I'm sure we all thank you.
>>> Good on you, mate!
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Jonesy
>>> --
>>>  Marvin L Jones     | W3DHJ      | W3DHJ  | https://W3DHJ.net/
>>>   Pueblo, Colorado  |  @         | Jonesy |     __ linux FreeBSD
>>>    38.238N 104.547W |   jonz.net | DM78rf | 73  SK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>





James Duffey
 

Jay, thanks for the kind words. I have contemplated doing a subset of this article with the activity data for the Contest Update e-mail newsletter or National Contesting Journal.  I think I would need to beef it up with data from the other contests though and that is going to take some more effort. 

When the results writeup was done in print, there was a  page limit, which limited how much stuff could be in print and it is likely that at least most of the data related to the activity trends would have to have been left out and would end up on the web anyway. 

Anyway, I am looking into how the data can get a wider distribution.

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 8, 2020, at 09:39, Jay Baack <whereisjay@...> wrote:


I know I sent you a direct message Duffey, but I too agree that this was an excellent write up.  It is a travesty that this information is NOT included in the print version of QST.  A wealth of information and a lot of great data showing positive activity trends and band/mode utilization.  Great summaries like this NEED to be out in the public eye to generate more activity for all of us to benefit from.

Well done my man.   Coffee or drink of choice on me at Yuma 2021!  (Fingers crossed).

 - Jay N1AV

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:26 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
Thanks Mike, I appreciate the comments and they are well received here. Some times when I get bogged down writing these things I get discouraged and comments like yours make it all worthwhile.

I wanted to write a bit on how the use of FT8 has changed the contest, but I realized that I could not do that without writing about the history of the contest and how it has changed over the years. So, that was how that all came about.

When I first started roving I spent a long time studying various VHF propagation modes, particularly with regards to contesting. That led me to Joe’s article on using scatter to make more contacts at greater distances in the VHF contests. That article, though quantitative, still contains information that is useful today. Anyway, looking at past contest results as part of that I found the picture of 16 year old Joe and how he and his brother really changed VHF contesting. I filed that away for future use and that time finally came. It all fits together nicely, puts WSJT into perspective, and I think most importantly, it shows that it is not a recent development, but is obviously a result of Joe’s early experience in contesting.

With the quarantine at ARRL HQ, finding a copy of the picture suitable for the article turned out to be an effort for the editors.

Again, thanks for the kind words. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

> On Jul 8, 2020, at 09:02, Mike H <mph@...> wrote:
>
> The historical reference to Joe Taylor and his brother along with VHF contests of the past was excellent!
>
> Mike WB2FKO
>
>> On 7/8/20 9:19 AM, James Duffey wrote:
>> Thanks Jonesy.
>>
>> James Duffey KK6MC
>> Cedar Crest NM
>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 06:46, Jonesy W3DHJ via groups.io <mailserver=jonz.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Duffey,
>>>
>>> That was one hell of a write-up you did for the 2020 ARRL JAN VHF!
>>> I can't even imagine the amount of time and effort that you put
>>> into that!
>>>
>>> I thank you.  I'm sure we all thank you.
>>> Good on you, mate!
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Jonesy
>>> --
>>>  Marvin L Jones     | W3DHJ      | W3DHJ  | https://W3DHJ.net/
>>>   Pueblo, Colorado  |  @         | Jonesy |     __ linux FreeBSD
>>>    38.238N 104.547W |   jonz.net | DM78rf | 73  SK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>





Bruce Draper
 

Nice job, Duffey. I especially liked the historical info.
When you said "Having different QSO points for the higher bands has, in the long run, helped to get people on these bands," I thought for sure you'd follow it with something like "so maybe another change to the point structure could be used to encourage more activity on CW and phone." Saving that for another time? ;-)

For those of you VHFers who might want to take a peek at the HF contesting world occasionally, here's a link to the writeup that K5TA (also a NMVHFS member) and I did for last year's ARRL November Phone Sweepstakes: 
https://contests.arrl.org/ContestResults/2019/SS-Phone-2019-FinalFullResults.pdf

73,
   Bruce AA5B

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 12:03 PM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
Jay, thanks for the kind words. I have contemplated doing a subset of this article with the activity data for the Contest Update e-mail newsletter or National Contesting Journal.  I think I would need to beef it up with data from the other contests though and that is going to take some more effort. 

When the results writeup was done in print, there was a  page limit, which limited how much stuff could be in print and it is likely that at least most of the data related to the activity trends would have to have been left out and would end up on the web anyway. 

Anyway, I am looking into how the data can get a wider distribution.

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 8, 2020, at 09:39, Jay Baack <whereisjay@...> wrote:


I know I sent you a direct message Duffey, but I too agree that this was an excellent write up.  It is a travesty that this information is NOT included in the print version of QST.  A wealth of information and a lot of great data showing positive activity trends and band/mode utilization.  Great summaries like this NEED to be out in the public eye to generate more activity for all of us to benefit from.

Well done my man.   Coffee or drink of choice on me at Yuma 2021!  (Fingers crossed).

 - Jay N1AV

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:26 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
Thanks Mike, I appreciate the comments and they are well received here. Some times when I get bogged down writing these things I get discouraged and comments like yours make it all worthwhile.

I wanted to write a bit on how the use of FT8 has changed the contest, but I realized that I could not do that without writing about the history of the contest and how it has changed over the years. So, that was how that all came about.

When I first started roving I spent a long time studying various VHF propagation modes, particularly with regards to contesting. That led me to Joe’s article on using scatter to make more contacts at greater distances in the VHF contests. That article, though quantitative, still contains information that is useful today. Anyway, looking at past contest results as part of that I found the picture of 16 year old Joe and how he and his brother really changed VHF contesting. I filed that away for future use and that time finally came. It all fits together nicely, puts WSJT into perspective, and I think most importantly, it shows that it is not a recent development, but is obviously a result of Joe’s early experience in contesting.

With the quarantine at ARRL HQ, finding a copy of the picture suitable for the article turned out to be an effort for the editors.

Again, thanks for the kind words. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

> On Jul 8, 2020, at 09:02, Mike H <mph@...> wrote:
>
> The historical reference to Joe Taylor and his brother along with VHF contests of the past was excellent!
>
> Mike WB2FKO
>
>> On 7/8/20 9:19 AM, James Duffey wrote:
>> Thanks Jonesy.
>>
>> James Duffey KK6MC
>> Cedar Crest NM
>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 06:46, Jonesy W3DHJ via groups.io <mailserver=jonz.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Duffey,
>>>
>>> That was one hell of a write-up you did for the 2020 ARRL JAN VHF!
>>> I can't even imagine the amount of time and effort that you put
>>> into that!
>>>
>>> I thank you.  I'm sure we all thank you.
>>> Good on you, mate!
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Jonesy
>>> --
>>>  Marvin L Jones     | W3DHJ      | W3DHJ  | https://W3DHJ.net/
>>>   Pueblo, Colorado  |  @         | Jonesy |     __ linux FreeBSD
>>>    38.238N 104.547W |   jonz.net | DM78rf | 73  SK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>





James Duffey
 

Thanks for the nice words Bruce. I think it hard to talk about the impact FT8 has had on the January VHF contest without some background, and that background grew into history. That picture of K1JT as a very young K2ITP was too good not to include.

Scott and Bruce’s write ups are excellent and contain a lot of data which is interesting to study and is helpful in planning one’s sweepstakes efforts. Highly recommended reading. 

I had thought about going into the discussion of encouraging different modes with different point structures, but there are a lot of layers to that discussion and I couldn’t really put forth a succinct discussion without a lot of caveats and equivocating, so yeah, a stand alone discussion for later. We could start one here. 

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 8, 2020, at 12:35, Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:


Nice job, Duffey. I especially liked the historical info.
When you said "Having different QSO points for the higher bands has, in the long run, helped to get people on these bands," I thought for sure you'd follow it with something like "so maybe another change to the point structure could be used to encourage more activity on CW and phone." Saving that for another time? ;-)

For those of you VHFers who might want to take a peek at the HF contesting world occasionally, here's a link to the writeup that K5TA (also a NMVHFS member) and I did for last year's ARRL November Phone Sweepstakes: 
https://contests.arrl.org/ContestResults/2019/SS-Phone-2019-FinalFullResults.pdf

73,
   Bruce AA5B

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 12:03 PM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
Jay, thanks for the kind words. I have contemplated doing a subset of this article with the activity data for the Contest Update e-mail newsletter or National Contesting Journal.  I think I would need to beef it up with data from the other contests though and that is going to take some more effort. 

When the results writeup was done in print, there was a  page limit, which limited how much stuff could be in print and it is likely that at least most of the data related to the activity trends would have to have been left out and would end up on the web anyway. 

Anyway, I am looking into how the data can get a wider distribution.

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 8, 2020, at 09:39, Jay Baack <whereisjay@...> wrote:


I know I sent you a direct message Duffey, but I too agree that this was an excellent write up.  It is a travesty that this information is NOT included in the print version of QST.  A wealth of information and a lot of great data showing positive activity trends and band/mode utilization.  Great summaries like this NEED to be out in the public eye to generate more activity for all of us to benefit from.

Well done my man.   Coffee or drink of choice on me at Yuma 2021!  (Fingers crossed).

 - Jay N1AV

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:26 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
Thanks Mike, I appreciate the comments and they are well received here. Some times when I get bogged down writing these things I get discouraged and comments like yours make it all worthwhile.

I wanted to write a bit on how the use of FT8 has changed the contest, but I realized that I could not do that without writing about the history of the contest and how it has changed over the years. So, that was how that all came about.

When I first started roving I spent a long time studying various VHF propagation modes, particularly with regards to contesting. That led me to Joe’s article on using scatter to make more contacts at greater distances in the VHF contests. That article, though quantitative, still contains information that is useful today. Anyway, looking at past contest results as part of that I found the picture of 16 year old Joe and how he and his brother really changed VHF contesting. I filed that away for future use and that time finally came. It all fits together nicely, puts WSJT into perspective, and I think most importantly, it shows that it is not a recent development, but is obviously a result of Joe’s early experience in contesting.

With the quarantine at ARRL HQ, finding a copy of the picture suitable for the article turned out to be an effort for the editors.

Again, thanks for the kind words. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

> On Jul 8, 2020, at 09:02, Mike H <mph@...> wrote:
>
> The historical reference to Joe Taylor and his brother along with VHF contests of the past was excellent!
>
> Mike WB2FKO
>
>> On 7/8/20 9:19 AM, James Duffey wrote:
>> Thanks Jonesy.
>>
>> James Duffey KK6MC
>> Cedar Crest NM
>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 06:46, Jonesy W3DHJ via groups.io <mailserver=jonz.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Duffey,
>>>
>>> That was one hell of a write-up you did for the 2020 ARRL JAN VHF!
>>> I can't even imagine the amount of time and effort that you put
>>> into that!
>>>
>>> I thank you.  I'm sure we all thank you.
>>> Good on you, mate!
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Jonesy
>>> --
>>>  Marvin L Jones     | W3DHJ      | W3DHJ  | https://W3DHJ.net/
>>>   Pueblo, Colorado  |  @         | Jonesy |     __ linux FreeBSD
>>>    38.238N 104.547W |   jonz.net | DM78rf | 73  SK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>





Michael Daly
 

Agreed,
Telling a story, not just reporting a contest.
73, Mike, n5sj

-----Original Message-----
From: main@nmvhf.groups.io [mailto:main@nmvhf.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonesy
W3DHJ via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 6:46 AM
To: NM VHF <nmvhf@groups.io>
Subject: [nmvhf] 2020 JAN VHF

Duffey,

That was one hell of a write-up you did for the 2020 ARRL JAN VHF!
I can't even imagine the amount of time and effort that you put into that!

I thank you. I'm sure we all thank you.
Good on you, mate!

73
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK


Bill Mader
 

Wonderful job again Duffey!  Thanks for doing this as it brings great value to those who strive to do well in the contest.

We are fortunate in NM to have you, along with Bruce and Scott authors of the awesome SS-SSB coverage, who put in a lot of time and effort on these contest summaries.  While it's hard to believe, uninformed hams (they can't count pages apparently) think there is too much contest coverage in QST now!  I think the additional coverage on the Web is appropriate and greatly appreciated.  Reading that coverage should be part of everyone's contest preparation checklist.

While not VHF and above, I hope to work many of you in the IARU HF Championship Contest this weekend.

73, Bill Mader, K8TE
ARRL New Mexico Section Manager
ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio
Duke City Hamfest BoD Vice-Chairman www.dukecityhamfest.org 17-19 Sep 2021
Secretary and Past President, Albuquerque DX Association 
W6H NM Coordinator, Route 66 On-the-Air 12-20 Sep 2020


On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 3:17 PM Michael Daly <arrowengineering1@...> wrote:
Agreed,
Telling a story, not just reporting a contest.
73, Mike, n5sj

-----Original Message-----
From: main@nmvhf.groups.io [mailto:main@nmvhf.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonesy
W3DHJ via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 6:46 AM
To: NM VHF <nmvhf@groups.io>
Subject: [nmvhf] 2020 JAN VHF

Duffey,

That was one hell of a write-up you did for the 2020 ARRL JAN VHF!
I can't even imagine the amount of time and effort that you put into that!

I thank you.  I'm sure we all thank you.
Good on you, mate!

73
Jonesy
--
  Marvin L Jones     | W3DHJ      | W3DHJ  | https://W3DHJ.net/
   Pueblo, Colorado  |  @         | Jonesy |     __ linux FreeBSD
    38.238N 104.547W |   jonz.net | DM78rf | 73  SK