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Re: FT8 in contests

Keith Morehouse
 

Typical east coast dialog.  They are primarily concerned with passing between 2M and above bands and ignore a major issue, which is the woeful lack of activity on 6M modes where you can run decent rate.

In populated areas (read, east coast & New England) contests are won by maximizing your Qs and multipliers ABOVE 6M.  Out here, contests are won by maximizing 6M score (in June and July, where we have at least some chance of winning.  In Sept and Jan, VHF contesting from our area is just 'something to do'.. we're not really competing).  Out east, 6M is just something to pass the time while waiting for the next wave of rovers to incrementally bump your score on 2 and above.  If WE can't run decent rate on 6, we are toast.

I've been outspoken about the wholesale shift to FT8 on 6 during summer contests.  MY personal solution is to no longer seriously operate, as it's impossible to keep up with guys who live in an area where they can work 200-300 Qs on 2M.  This, when I'm limited to a digital mode on 6 that has a max rate of 40-50/hour if you're lucky.  I hate contesting with FT8 because of this limitation (other reasons also, but they are simply personal choices).

However, after much private discussion with other serious contesters, I have concluded you will never bring back the critical mass of operators that allows us to run 150, 200 or 250/hour on 6.  High rate is dependent on having casual operators available to work.  ALL the casual ops have switched to FT8 and they're not coming back to SSB, no matter what rules changes are made.

Participation numbers are a fine metric for non-contesters. Veteran contesters look at other things and see a bit different situation.  Welcome to the new world of VHF contesting.  Enjoy...or not

-W9RM

Keith Morehouse
via MotoG


On Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 11:44 AM Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:
This packrats newsletter (attached) has some discussion on FTx in VHF/UHF contests, along with some proposals for making the most of the situation. IMO, a small bandaid on a gaping wound, but at least they’re trying.

Bruce AA5B






Re: FT8 in contests

redarlington
 

I have some mixed feelings here.   A good buddy of mine (KB1IKC) has a high score for RTTY RU here in NM.  https://contests.arrl.org/certgen.php?mode=jpeg&id=538074&call=KB1IKC 

He has never made a RTTY contact that I'm aware of.  He was 100% FT8.

-Bob

On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 11:44 AM Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:
This packrats newsletter (attached) has some discussion on FTx in VHF/UHF contests, along with some proposals for making the most of the situation. IMO, a small bandaid on a gaping wound, but at least they’re trying.

Bruce AA5B






FT8 in contests

Bruce Draper
 

This packrats newsletter (attached) has some discussion on FTx in VHF/UHF contests, along with some proposals for making the most of the situation. IMO, a small bandaid on a gaping wound, but at least they’re trying.

Bruce AA5B


Re: CQ VHF

James Duffey
 

Damn! I wish I had known you had 144MHz, AA5PR and I QSYed to 2M after each 6M FT8 QSO. Put more mults in the log. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 19, 2021, at 20:41, Scott K5TA <k5ta@...> wrote:

 Got ambitious and set up my “Rover Simulator” for the contest — OK but unexciting. Nice to work KK6MC and AA5PR in several grids. Glad I was too lazy to dismantle the rig today.  Went out to the driveway about an hour ago and snagged KL7NC for #50 on 6m. Just back from the wine run!

-TA 



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CQ VHF

Scott K5TA
 

Got ambitious and set up my “Rover Simulator” for the contest — OK but unexciting. Nice to work KK6MC and AA5PR in several grids. Glad I was too lazy to dismantle the rig today.  Went out to the driveway about an hour ago and snagged KL7NC for #50 on 6m. Just back from the wine run!

-TA 






Re: W3DHJ/r CQ WW VHF results

David Jarmuth
 

Jonesy,

Well, you beat me.   I ended up with 20 contacts ( all on Saturday ).  You are right that Sunday was a major bummer here.  Only heard you, Duncan, K0NR, and K0ETT and I had worked all of you.  Still more contacts than I had last year, though and I worked Albuquerque on 2M SSB so that was the crown jewel of the weekend ( other than working you four times that is! ).

73's,
David
KB0KQI


Re: KK6MC/r rove in CQ WW VHF

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

Duffy,

I did copy your CW CQ around 2330z on .200 - Q5S5, when I was in DM77. 
But you never copied or heard my reply, and I never heard you again.
 
Jonesy
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W3DHJ/r CQ WW VHF results

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

Well, I probably won First Place Colorado Rover, unless
there is a Minimum Qualifying Score for this contest.

At first I was really bummed because I only logged 36 valid
contest contacts. But, I checked back and I had logged
only 31 in the CQ WW VHF 2015, and
only 29 in CQ WW VHF 2016.
So, it was my third worse.
(And, I have no memory of the misery in 2015 and 2016.)

RoverLog QSOs by Activated Grid:
Grid QSOs
DM77 7
DM78 8
DM87 6
DM88 14

RoverLog Score Summary,
Band QSOs Value QSOPts Mults
50 15 1 15 13
144 20 2 40 9

Totals: 35 55 22

Claimed Score: 1210

Old School: SSB & CW

Only 7 out-of-state (6M) contacts -- 6 Calif., and 1 EN16.

It was REALLY GRIM at times on Sunday.
In DM77 I only logged one contact from 1520z to 1655z.
In DM87 I logged NO contacts in my 2 hours there.
In DM88 I logged only 2 contacts in 1.5 hours.

I could have kept the log in my head,
instead of wasting a whole clay tablet.

I'd like to thank Duncan, WE7L, who always seemed to pop
up and engage me in a short QSO when my spirits and Q-rate
were at zero.

And, my cringe-worthy CW notwithstanding, it is damn hard
to send anything intelligible by straight key when you
have horse flies biting you on the arm!

Always demonstrating the triumph of hope over experience,
73 Jonesy W3DHJ
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38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK


KK6MC/r on APRS

James Duffey
 

Where I have coverage, I will beacon on APRS. Look on APRS.Fi for me. -Duffey KK6MC/r

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM


CQ VHF This Weekend

KC7QY
 

Good to see some rovers out this weekend. My activity will be limited to Saturday afternoon this year. I'll look to give Qs and DM64 to the rovers when I'm on.

Jim KC7QY


KK6MC/r rove in CQ WW VHF

James Duffey
 

Here is my schedule for the CQ WW VHF contest.

Saturday July 17, 2021

1800Z - 1930Z DM54 near Ventana Arch (DM54wp for better aiming)

2030Z - 2200Z DM64 Sandstone Bluffs overlook (DM64bw for aiming)

2300Z - 0100Z - DM55 Prewitt exit pullout top of ridge (DM55xh for aiming)

Then I will head home, perhaps with a stop on 9 mile hill (DM65) if band is open or to make a few local QSOs. That would be about 0300Z

Sunday July 18, 2021

1500Z - 1630 Z DM64 Moriarity Airport (DM64xa for aiming)

1700Z - 1900 Z DM75 I40 Westbound rest area (DM75ba for aiming)

1930Z - 2100Z DM74 Torrance county dump access road (DM74bx for aiming)

Times are approximate. Exact arrival and departure times will depend on activity.

I have my WSJT-X issues fixed, so I will operate FT4 (preferably, but doubtfully), FT8 (probably due to activity), CW, & SSB. I will try to go to SSB on the hour and CW on the half hour. I will also go to CW & SSB when the band is open. For locals, I will QSY to 144MHz after we contact on 6M, if you have 2M capability. - Duffey KK6MC

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM


Re: AA5PR/R roving for contest

Ed
 

Will be looking for you. Thanks for roaming
Ed n5jeh

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Friday, 16 July 2021, 09:20AM -06:00 from Bill bill4070@...:

Good luck John.

B


On Jul 15, 2021, at 11:33 PM, John Klem <klemjf@...> wrote:

I'll be roving for the contest this weekend.  Here's a rough schedule, subject to changes related to 6 m band conditions.  I'll have both 6 m and 2 m with 100 W and yagis.

Saturday
I'll be looking for local contacts on 144.200 and 50.135 +/- first.
1800-1900Z DM65, either my driveway or 9-Mile Hill
2030-2130 DM75 (I-40 rest stop east of Moriarty)
2230-~0300  DM74. Initially, I'll be operating from western DM74 with a decent shot into ABQ.  If I exhaust local contacts from that spot and 6 m is otherwise dead, I'll move way east in DM74 for the rest of the day.

Sunday
These are tough spots for ABQ-area contacts, but you might catch me on FT8 or MSK144 on 6.  If anyone wants to try FT8 or CW on 2 m please send me a private reply.
1400-1700 DM84
1830-2100 DM85

John, AA5PR/R


Re: AA5PR/R roving for contest

Bill
 

Good luck John.

B


On Jul 15, 2021, at 11:33 PM, John Klem <klemjf@...> wrote:

I'll be roving for the contest this weekend.  Here's a rough schedule, subject to changes related to 6 m band conditions.  I'll have both 6 m and 2 m with 100 W and yagis.

Saturday
I'll be looking for local contacts on 144.200 and 50.135 +/- first.
1800-1900Z DM65, either my driveway or 9-Mile Hill
2030-2130 DM75 (I-40 rest stop east of Moriarty)
2230-~0300  DM74. Initially, I'll be operating from western DM74 with a decent shot into ABQ.  If I exhaust local contacts from that spot and 6 m is otherwise dead, I'll move way east in DM74 for the rest of the day.

Sunday
These are tough spots for ABQ-area contacts, but you might catch me on FT8 or MSK144 on 6.  If anyone wants to try FT8 or CW on 2 m please send me a private reply.
1400-1700 DM84
1830-2100 DM85

John, AA5PR/R


AA5PR/R roving for contest

John Klem
 

I'll be roving for the contest this weekend.  Here's a rough schedule, subject to changes related to 6 m band conditions.  I'll have both 6 m and 2 m with 100 W and yagis.

Saturday
I'll be looking for local contacts on 144.200 and 50.135 +/- first.
1800-1900Z DM65, either my driveway or 9-Mile Hill
2030-2130 DM75 (I-40 rest stop east of Moriarty)
2230-~0300  DM74. Initially, I'll be operating from western DM74 with a decent shot into ABQ.  If I exhaust local contacts from that spot and 6 m is otherwise dead, I'll move way east in DM74 for the rest of the day.

Sunday
These are tough spots for ABQ-area contacts, but you might catch me on FT8 or MSK144 on 6.  If anyone wants to try FT8 or CW on 2 m please send me a private reply.
1400-1700 DM84
1830-2100 DM85

John, AA5PR/R


W3DHJ/R CQ WW VHF DM77-78-87-88

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

The current prediction is for temps to be in the mid to upper 90's.
That'll be a wee bit better than ARRL JUN VHF...

I'll be doing DM88 - DM87 - DM77 - DM78, in that sequence on Sat.

I'll be doing DM78 - DM77 - DM87 - DM88, in that sequence on Sun.
If Saturday shows it to be just an FT4/FT8 Computer Contest,
I will probably blow off any Sunday operations.

More details:
https://w3dhj.net/vhfrover_plans.php
73
Jonesy
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Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK


Re: VHF contest experiences?

KC7QY
 

Hi Bruce,

Sorry for the late reply. I had about the same experience that the others have reported. Saturday was fairly steady. Sunday not so much. Mostly 6M FT8 but did pick up 4 CW and 4 SSB in about 20 minutes on Saturday evening. Heard nothing the several other times I did check 6 SSB/CW. Only two Qs on each of 144 and 432; Duffey and Mark K5AM. I did get distracted a bit chasing the Cashews through WY for new grids though.

One comment if you are writing this up. I came across a few 6M FT8 stations calling CQ REST and then replying with funny little numbers (signal reports). Apparently there some that need training in using WSJT contest mode.

 Band   Mode  QSOs     Pts  Grd  Pt/Q
          50  CW       4       4    0   1.0
          50  FT8    107     107   63   1.0
          50  MSK1     7       7    5   1.0
          50  USB      4       4    1   1.0
         144  CW       1       1    1   1.0
         144  USB      1       1    1   1.0
         420  CW       1       2    1   2.0
         420  USB      1       2    1   2.0
       Total  Both   126     128   73   1.0


            Score : 9,344


Jim KC7QY


On Friday, June 18, 2021, 06:24:29 AM MDT, Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:


Several of you went out roving or expeditioning for the contest last weekend (WØAMT, N7GP, AA5PR, KK6MC, ...), and probably others operated from home. How'd it go?

    -Bruce AA5B/3


Re: VHF contest experiences?

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

My Rovering in S.E. Colorado was relatively unremarkable.
However, I was quite surprised at the number of Rovers I logged
on 6 meters!  Probably more that I've encountered - in total - over 
the past 2-3 years.

73
Jonesy
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Re: VHF contest experiences?

Kyle Best, KC0LFQ
 

I worked from the south end of DM66 (DM66na83) on Saturday.  Was able to work almost everyone I heard.  I tried 6m but with 20 watts and SSB it was a no-go, except a single contact with KK6MC on the Crest.  My 222 transverter was able to hear well, and had good copy on the folks up there, but doesn't seem to transmit well, so a project for another time.  Without digital on 6m, not much point in even taking the antenna, since it seems like the SSB area is vacant or sparse.  Definitely need to work on my CW for future contests; not super confident in my accuracy for contest purposes.
All in all, a good time.  Not quite as many contacts as I got from Madgelena Ridge in DM63 last year, but VLA is running experiments on 222 and 432, so asked not to use those bands (and anything higher) within line-of-site of their dishes.  That's what drove my move to DM66.  May shop around for other sites for Sept.

-Kyle
KC0LFQ


Re: VHF contest experiences?

Michael Daly
 

The contest came second as our search and rescue group was watching out for a 24 hour bike race at McGaffey, about 13 miles east of Gallup. I shared the Comm unit with another ham. Sunday after the contest I attempted to contact Duffey on 2 with a 7 element beam from the McGaffey area but no go.  Kind of interesting, I was running 100 watts on cw with no contact, yet my handheld with 5 watts and a 5/8 wave vertical was able to bring up the 34/94 repeater on Sandia Crest, just above Duffey’s location.  I went home and we tried again on 6, 2 and 432 finally making 1 contact on 432. Tough conditions apparently.

Mike, n5sj

 

From: main@nmvhf.groups.io <main@nmvhf.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike WB2FKO
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 7:53 AM
To: main@nmvhf.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nmvhf] VHF contest experiences?

 

I was at the K5QE limited multi-op (6/2/222/432) in EM31 (Texas) and spent most of the time on 6m. The Es was not very good for most of Saturday, but FT8 worked nicely in the marginal conditions yielding plenty of multipliers. Exactly what it was designed for. We had a nice ssb run on Sunday morning when I was sleeping. I stayed up the entire previous night working MSK144 meteor scatter and it was very productive. I also made about a dozen FT4 QSOs during the contest when conditions allowed and activity was there. We did work a few NM grids, but propagation was largely into the east coast and midwest, at least when I was operating. 

Lost the 6m amplifier just 8 minutes into the contest, but they had a direct replacement installed and running within 20 minutes! It was like watching an Indy pit stop. This is a SERIOUS operation. We still wound up with 208 grids on 6m.

Mike WB2FKO EL89

On 6/18/21 8:24 AM, Bruce Draper wrote:

Several of you went out roving or expeditioning for the contest last weekend (WØAMT, N7GP, AA5PR, KK6MC, ...), and probably others operated from home. How'd it go?

 

    -Bruce AA5B/3


Re: VHF contest experiences?

Tom
 

I went to DM31 at 5 am before contest to try to help a few that need that grid for FFMA,, on 6 meter..
To my surprised the band was open and in great shape until 4 pm,so that was a BIG plus for me,,
Sunday a bust on 6 meters,, and even with our rover swarm here in AZ,, it was SO HOT 117 degrees,,it was all we could do do try to get any propagation on the bands above 1.2 ghz,,
it was hard on all of , equipment AND bodies...
Glad I had a good run in DM31!!
Tom
N7GP/R

On 2021-06-18 14:20, John Klem wrote:
Saturday was a pretty good day. I was able to work quite a few in all
directions on 6 m FT8 from the DM56/66 line south of Bloomfield, then
moved to just DM66 for more. I had a few SSB QSOs to 6 land in the
evening, but despite huge signals just couldn't sustain that.
I came home, got 4 hours sleep, and then drove to the DM85/86 line
between Tucumcari and Clayton for a late start Sunday. Things were
much tougher there, with marginal conditions on 6 m and almost no cell
service. I was informed by a polite but humorless rancher that the
first spot I operated from, which I thought was a county road, was a
private road. The second spot was right next to power lines that were
somewhat noisy. To top it off, my 6 m antenna developed an electrical
problem (that I haven't yet had the right combination of time and
courage to fully investigate) that required me to quit in the late
afternoon.
I had zero QSOs above 6 m, which is a real problem considering the
additional effort required to carry antennas for 2 and 432. So I will
be addressing that one way or another in future contests.
161 QSO points, 83 multipliers, 13,363 points, give or take.
John, AA5PR/R
On 6/18/2021 6:24 AM, Bruce Draper wrote:

Several of you went out roving or expeditioning for the contest last
weekend (WØAMT, N7GP, AA5PR, KK6MC, ...), and probably others
operated from home. How'd it go?
-Bruce AA5B/3
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