Date   

Re: Order to vacate 420 to 430 MHz

KC7QY
 

Dan,

I afraid what is in the message is all that I know about it. The take-away for me is that if you deploy a system in that range then you are at risk of having to reconfigure your system if you do end up interfering.

Jim KC7QY


On Friday, March 19, 2021, 01:50:03 PM MDT, Daniel Fay <daniel.fay@...> wrote:


FYI -- I'm currently doing some mesh networking experiments with the LoRa waveform on 420-430MHz. This order shouldn't affect me because:

  1. I'm in the Albuquerque Far NE Heights area, so White Sands should be well past the radio horizon.
  2. The transmitters are sitting no higher than 2m above the ground.
  3. They are transmitting at a maximum of 1W, with antennas that have <3dBi of gain (they're HT duck antennas).
  4. The PSD is fairly low because it's spread spectrum (CSS with a bandwidth of at least 125KHz, and some slow (per-packet) FHSS in some cases as well).

If you think this order does apply to what I'm doing, let me know, and I'll change frequencies. The LoRa radios can operate anywhere in the 70cm band. 

Also, is this change permanent? I was considering eventually emplacing a few network nodes across the ABQ metro area to evaluate coverage.

Thanks,

Dan KG5VBY


Re: Order to vacate 420 to 430 MHz

Daniel Fay
 

FYI -- I'm currently doing some mesh networking experiments with the LoRa waveform on 420-430MHz. This order shouldn't affect me because:

  1. I'm in the Albuquerque Far NE Heights area, so White Sands should be well past the radio horizon.
  2. The transmitters are sitting no higher than 2m above the ground.
  3. They are transmitting at a maximum of 1W, with antennas that have <3dBi of gain (they're HT duck antennas).
  4. The PSD is fairly low because it's spread spectrum (CSS with a bandwidth of at least 125KHz, and some slow (per-packet) FHSS in some cases as well).

If you think this order does apply to what I'm doing, let me know, and I'll change frequencies. The LoRa radios can operate anywhere in the 70cm band. 

Also, is this change permanent? I was considering eventually emplacing a few network nodes across the ABQ metro area to evaluate coverage.

Thanks,

Dan KG5VBY


Order to vacate 420 to 430 MHz

KC7QY
 

FYI - From a message sent out by Bill W5YEJ on the repeater owners group.

"Per request of the U.S. Army the FCC had ordered that we vacate the 420 to
430 MHz segment of the 70cm band to make way for a new project on WSMR.
 
Area included: All Amateur transmitters within LOS of WSMR and any other
location that may cause interference on the Range. Sandia Peak, Manzano
Mtns, Capilla, Organ Pass, Benson Ridge, Long Ridge, Buck Mountain & El
Paso are all within the area of concern as well as the Tularosa Basin.
This list is not all inclusive and may need to be expanded if interference
is found at sources outside the LOS area.
 
Note that frequency coordination is primarily used to protect receivers
from unwanted signals. In this case the receiver(s) location is not
specified and so is a bit difficult to determine which, if any, other
locations may need to be included.
 
When: FCC has said we must vacate the band segment or turn off any
transmitters within the 420-430 range by May 31, 2021. This doesn't give
us a lot of time to rearrange channels.
 
What do you need to do? If you're operating transmitters (links or
repeaters) with the range of 420 to 430 please contact me ASAP so I can
verify the NMFCC database is up to date. I was officially notified of this
order on March 16th and have been trying to come up with a plan to move
transmitters. If you have suggestions please let me know. FYI, here is
the band plan from the ARRL:
 
70 Centimeters (420-450 MHz)
 
420.00-426.00 ATV repeater or simplex with 421.25 MHz video carrier
control links and experimental
 
426.00-432.00 ATV simplex with 427.250-MHz video carrier frequency
 
432.00-432.07 EME (Earth-Moon-Earth)
 
432.07-432.10 Weak-signal CW
 
432.10 70-cm calling frequency
 
432.10-432.30 Mixed-mode and weak-signal work
 
432.30-432.40 Propagation beacons
 
432.40-433.00 Mixed-mode and weak-signal work
 
433.00-435.00 Auxiliary/repeater links
 
435.00-438.00 Satellite only (internationally)
 
438.00-444.00 ATV repeater input with 439.250-MHz video carrier frequency
and repeater links
 
442.00-445.00 Repeater inputs and outputs (local option)
 
445.00-447.00 Shared by auxiliary and control links, repeaters and
simplex (local option)
 
446.00 National simplex frequency
 
447.00-450.00 Repeater inputs and outputs (local option)
 
I suggest we use the 433.00-435.00 and 438.00-440.00 segments to move
transmitters currently in the 420-430 segment. Paul Choc advises some of
his equipment may not go high enough to operate in the 438 MHz range and
has suggested we might use 430.00-430.975 MHz and 434.00-434.975 MHz (4 MHz
split) for some links. I am soliciting your comments on both of these
suggestions whether or not you are affected. I don't want to make
unilateral changes that will impact Amateur operation on the 70cm band for
so long as we are operating there (and I wont be around that long anyway).
 
I would prefer your comments in writing so I have a record but you are also
welcome to call me any time.
 
Bill, W5YEJ"


Jim KC7QY


New Mexico QSO Party -- April 10

Brian Mileshosky
 

Greetings —

The 2021 New Mexico QSO Party takes place Saturday, April 10 from 8:00am MDT until 8:00pm MDT, and all Hams across New Mexico are invited to participate.  Amateur radio operators from across the United States -- and the world -- will be seeking New Mexicans on HF, 6 meters, and 2 meters during the event period, looking particularly to work hams in as many New Mexico counties as possible.  The Land of Enchantment will essentially be the "DX" on this day, making for a great time for all who participate.  Last year hundreds of amateur radio operators around the world participated, including 168 New Mexico hams and 21 New Mexico amateur radio clubs.

We are looking for hams — like yourself! — within each and every one of New Mexico's 33 counties to participate in the 2021 New Mexico QSO Party, whether for just a few convenient hours or for the entire event.

This is a super event for new and experienced hams alike. Operate from the comfort of your home.  Combine forces (safely) with hams in your club as a club activity or invite a group of friends to your shack for a multi-op operation.  Hit the road as a mobile station and activate multiple counties which create much needed -- and appreciated -- point multipliers for everyone who participates in the QSO Party.  Use this event as an opportunity to introduce a neighbor or friend to ham radio.  Or rally friends and club members to set up, Field Day style, as part of the special expedition category.

ATTENTION HAM CLUBS: The New Mexico QSO Party is a superb club-building activity, and there are two special awards available just for clubs.  The first is a plaque that will be awarded to the New Mexico club with the highest aggregate score submitted by its members. Another plaque will be awarded to the New Mexico Club whose members activate the highest aggregate number of New Mexico counties around the state. It doesn't matter what operating category your members participate in, or for how long; each entrant just needs to clearly mark their club name in their individual logs and your club will be automatically entered. Complete details in the New Mexico QSO Party rules.

This year's event is hosted by the Taos Amateur Radio Club.  Great-looking plaques will be awarded and participation certificates will be available for those desiring one.  Complete details, rules, prize information, and more can be found on the New Mexico QSO Party website at www.NewMexicoQSOParty.org

Are you planning to get on the air and operate from your home shack, as a mobile, or portable?  Even if tentative at this point, please visit www.NewMexicoQSOParty.org and let us know what county (or counties) you plan to operate from so we can list you on the NM QSO Party website’s activation table and interactive map.  Our goal is to have as many hams as possible operating from all of New Mexico counties during the event.

Please help spread the word about the 2021 New Mexico QSO Party.  With your help we look forward to all 33 counties being activated this year.

Thanks and 73,
Brian N5ZGT
New Mexico QSO Party website: www.NewMexicoQSOParty.org


Re: CSVHF Conference cancelled this year

James Duffey
 

Those details are yet to be worked out, but in all likelihood, it will be in the same venue.

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Mar 1, 2021, at 08:53, Jay Baack <whereisjay@...> wrote:


Sorry to hear the new James, but thank you for sharing it.  Are you all thinking that CSVHF 2022 will be held in the same location?

- Jay N1AV

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 8:35 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
The CSVHF board of Directors met last night and voted, not unanimously, not to hold the CSVHF conference this year. It is uncertain at this time if a virtual event will be held in its stead. I don’t know how many of you were planning on going as it was to be held fairly far away, but if you were planning on going, you can adapt your plans accordingly. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM






Re: CSVHF Conference cancelled this year

Jay
 

Sorry to hear the new James, but thank you for sharing it.  Are you all thinking that CSVHF 2022 will be held in the same location?

- Jay N1AV

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 8:35 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
The CSVHF board of Directors met last night and voted, not unanimously, not to hold the CSVHF conference this year. It is uncertain at this time if a virtual event will be held in its stead. I don’t know how many of you were planning on going as it was to be held fairly far away, but if you were planning on going, you can adapt your plans accordingly. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM






CSVHF Conference cancelled this year

James Duffey
 

The CSVHF board of Directors met last night and voted, not unanimously, not to hold the CSVHF conference this year. It is uncertain at this time if a virtual event will be held in its stead. I don’t know how many of you were planning on going as it was to be held fairly far away, but if you were planning on going, you can adapt your plans accordingly. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM


Re: RMHAM Pico-Balloon flying across New Mexico

Brian Mileshosky
 

All —

In my haste to get this announcement out, I failed to include one important note:  Rocky Mountain Ham Radio would also like to give a shout-out and thank Don Giles KM5XK and Dean Shutt AL7CR for their generous donation of ultra-pure helium for this launch.  We are grateful!

73,
Brian N5ZGT

On Feb 27, 2021, at 10:41 AM, Brian Mileshosky <n5zgt@...> wrote:

Greetings —

Rocky Mountain Ham Radio (RMHAM) launched a “pico-balloon” from Albuquerque this morning in conjunction with today’s New Mexico TechFest event.

A pico-balloon is a 3 foot mylar party balloon, filled partially with ultra-pure helium, and carrying a 13 gram solar-powered APRS transmitter.  The balloon is intended to travel for long distances (not to achieve heights) and are not intended to be recovered.  These balloons have literally circumnavigated the globe — even multiple times — before finally going down.

Since being launched from Albuquerque just before 8:30AM MST this morning, it is currently cruising between Springer and Clayton, New Mexico at an altitude of 26,000 feet at nearly 120 MPH.  It beacons on APRS every 2 minutes, and will continue to beacon for as long as the sun is hitting its solar panels (or until the balloon descends naturally or due to weather).  It is expected to fly at least to Maine and will likely continue flying further eastward as winds allow.

If you’d like to track the progress of the RMHAM pico-balloon yourself, check out either of these websites:

https://tracker.habhub.org (Look for N5ZGT-1 in the list on the left side of the page)


RMHAM plans to conduct at least two more launches from the Albuquerque this spring/summer.  COVID permitting, we will invite interested amateur radio operators to participate in the launch in-person.  One of these launches will carry a 15 gram 20-meter HF WSPR payload which will allow tracking while the balloon is over oceans (where VHF APRS digis are not).

For more information about Rocky Mountain Ham Radio and the TechFest event that is currently in progress, please visit https://www.rmham.org

73,
Brian N5ZGT




RMHAM Pico-Balloon flying across New Mexico

Brian Mileshosky
 

Greetings —

Rocky Mountain Ham Radio (RMHAM) launched a “pico-balloon” from Albuquerque this morning in conjunction with today’s New Mexico TechFest event.

A pico-balloon is a 3 foot mylar party balloon, filled partially with ultra-pure helium, and carrying a 13 gram solar-powered APRS transmitter.  The balloon is intended to travel for long distances (not to achieve heights) and are not intended to be recovered.  These balloons have literally circumnavigated the globe — even multiple times — before finally going down.

Since being launched from Albuquerque just before 8:30AM MST this morning, it is currently cruising between Springer and Clayton, New Mexico at an altitude of 26,000 feet at nearly 120 MPH.  It beacons on APRS every 2 minutes, and will continue to beacon for as long as the sun is hitting its solar panels (or until the balloon descends naturally or due to weather).  It is expected to fly at least to Maine and will likely continue flying further eastward as winds allow.

If you’d like to track the progress of the RMHAM pico-balloon yourself, check out either of these websites:

https://tracker.habhub.org (Look for N5ZGT-1 in the list on the left side of the page)


RMHAM plans to conduct at least two more launches from the Albuquerque this spring/summer.  COVID permitting, we will invite interested amateur radio operators to participate in the launch in-person.  One of these launches will carry a 15 gram 20-meter HF WSPR payload which will allow tracking while the balloon is over oceans (where VHF APRS digis are not).

For more information about Rocky Mountain Ham Radio and the TechFest event that is currently in progress, please visit https://www.rmham.org

73,
Brian N5ZGT



New Mexico TechFest -- This Saturday

Brian Mileshosky
 

Greetings — 

There is still time to register for the 2021 New Mexico TechFest, which takes place this Saturday, February 27.  This year’s speaker lineup is outstanding (check out the attached PDF file for presentation abstracts and speaker bios!), the prize lineup has grown, and online registration is open.

Hosted by Rocky Mountain Ham Radio - New Mexico (RMHAM), the New Mexico TechFest features a day of quality presentations provided by some of New Mexico and Colorado’s (and beyond) leading technical hams on a variety of emerging and relevant topics within amateur radio.  The purpose of TechFest is to facilitate the sharing of technical knowledge and collaboration within the amateur radio community, and to encourage the discussion of new ideas with one another.

TechFest is open to all interested hams.  Advanced registration is required.  Registration is $10 with proceeds offsetting event related expenses…see website for details.  Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and New Mexico’s public health orders, this year’s event will be conducted virtually in webinar format.  Join us from the comfort of your home!  A video camera is not required.

Event registration closes at 9:00pm MST this Friday.  Visit the New Mexico TechFest website at http://www.rmham.org/wordpress/new-mexico-techfest for event details including the schedule of events, prize lineup, and online registration.  We look forward to your participation!

73,
Brian N5ZGT
President, Rocky Mountain Ham Radio — New Mexico


New Mexico TechFest -- February 27

Brian Mileshosky
 

Greetings — 

The 2021 New Mexico TechFest is scheduled just about two weeks from now...Saturday, February 27.  This year’s speaker lineup is outstanding (check out the attached PDF file which contains this year’s presentation abstracts and speaker bios!), the prize lineup is growing, and online registration is open.

Hosted by Rocky Mountain Ham Radio - New Mexico (RMHAM), the New Mexico TechFest features a day of quality presentations provided by some of New Mexico and Colorado’s (and beyond) leading technical hams on a variety of emerging and relevant topics within amateur radio.  The purpose of TechFest is to facilitate the sharing of technical knowledge and collaboration within the amateur radio community, and to encourage the discussion of new ideas with one another.

TechFest is open to all interested hams.  Admission is $10 with proceeds offsetting event related expenses…see website for details.  Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and uncertainty around New Mexico’s public health orders, this year’s event will be conducted virtually.  Join us from the comfort of your home!

Prizes will be drawn throughout the event.  This year’s TechFest will also feature the launch of a pico balloon (weather permitting), intended to travel across the country and possibly the world while carrying a solar powered VHF APRS beacon.  Hams will be able to track the location of this balloon online once launched.

Please visit the New Mexico TechFest website for more information, schedule of events, prize lineup, and to register online (http://www.rmham.org/wordpress/new-mexico-techfest).  We look forward to your participation!

73,
Brian N5ZGT
President, Rocky Mountain Ham Radio — New Mexico


New Mexico TechFest -- Presentation lineup, Online registration

Brian Mileshosky
 


Greetings — 

This note is to announce that the presentation lineup for this year’s New Mexico TechFest has been released.  In addition, online registration for the event is now OPEN!

Please visit https://www.rmham.org/wordpress/new-mexico-techfest to view the lineup, read the abstracts, learn about this year's speakers, and register to attend TechFest.

Rocky Mountain Ham Radio - New Mexico (RMHAM) is pleased to announce its seventh annual New Mexico TechFest, an ARRL-sanctioned operating specialty event, on Saturday, February 27, 2021.  TechFest features a day of quality presentations and demonstrations provided by some of New Mexico and Colorado’s (and beyond) leading technical hams on a variety of emerging and relevant topics within amateur radio.  Its purpose is to facilitate the sharing of technical knowledge and collaboration within the amateur radio community, and to encourage the discussion of new ideas with one another.

Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and uncertainty around New Mexico’s public health orders, this year’s event will be conducted virtually. 

TechFest is open to all interested hams.  Admission is $10.  Proceeds will offset event related expenses…see website for details.

Presentation-related prizes will be drawn throughout the event.  In addition, this year’s TechFest will feature the launch of a pico balloon (weather permitting), intended to travel across the country and possibly the world while carrying a VHF APRS or HF WSPR beacon.  Hams will be able to track the location of this balloon online once launched.

Lots of information awaits you at the New Mexico TechFest (http://www.rmham.org/wordpress/new-mexico-techfest).  We look forward to your participation!

73,
Brian N5ZGT
President, Rocky Mountain Ham Radio — New Mexico


Re: [VHFcontesting] Solving FT8, scoring, categories

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

I'm just sayin', if you hope to log DM87 (or DM77) in the three Summer
VHF contests, you'd better display rudimentary voice or cw skills.
73
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK


Re: ARRL VHF test "3 BAND" category

James Duffey
 

OK, my table got garbled. Sorry. Here is another attempt. Monospaced font:

Power       Band             Station       Operators

(Pick 1)   (Pick 1 or 2)       (Pick 1)   (Pick 1)


High       Low (6M to 432)     Fixed            Single

Low       High (902 to light)  Portable   Multi

QRP                     Rover



Chinese menu style category selection. Pick from each column. 

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jan 18, 2021, at 10:35, James Duffey <jamesduffey@...> wrote:

Keith - While I understand and respect your position, I am concerned about the proliferation of categories in the VHF/UHF Contests without some well thought out rationale. The introduction of the Limited Multioperator category has significantly reduced participation in the Multioperator category and, with it, severely reduced microwave activity. The same thing has happened with the introduction of the Limited Rover category. The Single Operator Three Band category has had the same effect on 222MHz activity. While appealing to the guys who have DC to Daylight rigs, it has reduced the incentive to get on 222MHz for many. So, at first blush, your three band high power proposal kind of alarms me. Let me suggest an alternative. 

If one thinks some categories are important, and they probably are, I think it makes sense to use a “Chinese Restaurant Menu” scheme. I saw this first suggested by K5AM in the VHF Contesting forum many years ago. This is a modification of his proposal:

Power

Band

Station

Operators

(Pick one)

(Pick one or two)

(Pick one)

(Pick one)

High

Low (6M to 432)

Fixed

Single (one)

Low

High (902 to light)

Portable

Multiple( to or more)

QRP


Rover


 
I like this approach. It allows one more opportunity to customize categories than trying to force fit into the current narrowly defined categories. 

I hope the table comes across OK. If not, try switching to a monospaced font. If that doesn’t work, I can try something else. 

One essentially chooses the category to enter by selecting from each column. So you might like to enter High-Low-Fixed-Single instead of your wish for high power 3 band. W7QQ might enter High-Both-Fixed-Single; I might enter Low-Both-Rover-Single. It gives the SOTA guys opportunities to do multioperator QRP efforts.

In my experience with Rover and UHF Contest issues, asking the CAC to do something is can be an exercise in frustration.  From my experience, after you contact your CAC representative, your CAC representative will politely respond with they can only act on issues the ARRL BOD sends them. Which is true. If you talk to your Director, the Director will nicely say these things are handled through the Program Services Committee (PSC). If you talk to a PSC Committee member they will either reply that they are not your Director and you should tell your director what you want, or, if they are your director, they will say they can only act if there is a lot of demand, which there isn’t,  being as VHF/UHF contesting is a small niche of the hams they represent. Many (most?) of the ARRL hierarchy are not familiar with VHF/UHF contesting, and after listening to you explain what you want done and why it is useful, and in some cases the appeal of VHF/UHF contesting, will refer you to someone who is familiar with VHF/UHF concerns. That person likely has no representative connection with you and likely has no power to enact what you want done, but will very nicely take the time to listen to you. In the end, something may get done, but the CAC won’t initiate it. I may have exaggerated my interactions a bit, and at that time my interaction was complicated further by a VHF/UHF Contest Advisory Committee, but it is a problem. 

And, I agree with K5AM, who, along with suggesting the Chinese Restaurant Menu scheme for categories, made the insightful comment that “Limited” is a poor choice of a name for any contesting category. 
 
Sorry for the rant on your nickel Keith. I have an ulterior motive, it is always nice to work you in the contests, on lots of bands. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jan 18, 2021, at 09:03, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


I think it's humorous that a lot of folks still think there is a HIGH POWER category as a subset of the 3 BAND class.

But, it brings up a question.  I, personally, would be all over a category like 3 BAND HIGH POWER.  3 band is a natural for where I live and, already having amplifiers to compete in the traditional high-power class (the big-boy class....wink wink nudge nudge), I'm not going to put them aside and take the BIG hit out here in the wilderness of trying to work "locals" 200 miles away with 100W on 432 or, our bread and butter 6M scatter with low power.

What do others think about petitioning the CAC to add a HIGH POWER subcategory to 3 BAND ?  It certainly wouldn't diminish the traditional (it's been around long enough that I can call it that) 3 band class - it gives people the choice, just like the all-band categories.  But, it WOULD open up, in my opinion, pretty intense competition for a BUNCH of guys who know they CAN NOT win the regular high power class which is pretty much dominated by one or two stations, time after time after time.  I'm not denigrating the skill and engineering talent required to pull off a top all band high power station - I salute that.  But, unless you live in a very select area of the country, with plenty of stations to work above 1296 MHz, all the gear and skill in the world will do you no good.

I would welcome a 3 BAND HIGH POWER category and I believe it just might invigorate my rapidly diminishing desire to VHF contest, in general .  Anybody else have an opinion ?

-W9RM
DM58 CO


Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


Re: ARRL VHF test "3 BAND" category

James Duffey
 

Keith - While I understand and respect your position, I am concerned about the proliferation of categories in the VHF/UHF Contests without some well thought out rationale. The introduction of the Limited Multioperator category has significantly reduced participation in the Multioperator category and, with it, severely reduced microwave activity. The same thing has happened with the introduction of the Limited Rover category. The Single Operator Three Band category has had the same effect on 222MHz activity. While appealing to the guys who have DC to Daylight rigs, it has reduced the incentive to get on 222MHz for many. So, at first blush, your three band high power proposal kind of alarms me. Let me suggest an alternative. 

If one thinks some categories are important, and they probably are, I think it makes sense to use a “Chinese Restaurant Menu” scheme. I saw this first suggested by K5AM in the VHF Contesting forum many years ago. This is a modification of his proposal:

Power

Band

Station

Operators

(Pick one)

(Pick one or two)

(Pick one)

(Pick one)

High

Low (6M to 432)

Fixed

Single (one)

Low

High (902 to light)

Portable

Multiple( to or more)

QRP


Rover


 
I like this approach. It allows one more opportunity to customize categories than trying to force fit into the current narrowly defined categories. 

I hope the table comes across OK. If not, try switching to a monospaced font. If that doesn’t work, I can try something else. 

One essentially chooses the category to enter by selecting from each column. So you might like to enter High-Low-Fixed-Single instead of your wish for high power 3 band. W7QQ might enter High-Both-Fixed-Single; I might enter Low-Both-Rover-Single. It gives the SOTA guys opportunities to do multioperator QRP efforts.

In my experience with Rover and UHF Contest issues, asking the CAC to do something is can be an exercise in frustration.  From my experience, after you contact your CAC representative, your CAC representative will politely respond with they can only act on issues the ARRL BOD sends them. Which is true. If you talk to your Director, the Director will nicely say these things are handled through the Program Services Committee (PSC). If you talk to a PSC Committee member they will either reply that they are not your Director and you should tell your director what you want, or, if they are your director, they will say they can only act if there is a lot of demand, which there isn’t,  being as VHF/UHF contesting is a small niche of the hams they represent. Many (most?) of the ARRL hierarchy are not familiar with VHF/UHF contesting, and after listening to you explain what you want done and why it is useful, and in some cases the appeal of VHF/UHF contesting, will refer you to someone who is familiar with VHF/UHF concerns. That person likely has no representative connection with you and likely has no power to enact what you want done, but will very nicely take the time to listen to you. In the end, something may get done, but the CAC won’t initiate it. I may have exaggerated my interactions a bit, and at that time my interaction was complicated further by a VHF/UHF Contest Advisory Committee, but it is a problem. 

And, I agree with K5AM, who, along with suggesting the Chinese Restaurant Menu scheme for categories, made the insightful comment that “Limited” is a poor choice of a name for any contesting category. 
 
Sorry for the rant on your nickel Keith. I have an ulterior motive, it is always nice to work you in the contests, on lots of bands. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jan 18, 2021, at 09:03, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


I think it's humorous that a lot of folks still think there is a HIGH POWER category as a subset of the 3 BAND class.

But, it brings up a question.  I, personally, would be all over a category like 3 BAND HIGH POWER.  3 band is a natural for where I live and, already having amplifiers to compete in the traditional high-power class (the big-boy class....wink wink nudge nudge), I'm not going to put them aside and take the BIG hit out here in the wilderness of trying to work "locals" 200 miles away with 100W on 432 or, our bread and butter 6M scatter with low power.

What do others think about petitioning the CAC to add a HIGH POWER subcategory to 3 BAND ?  It certainly wouldn't diminish the traditional (it's been around long enough that I can call it that) 3 band class - it gives people the choice, just like the all-band categories.  But, it WOULD open up, in my opinion, pretty intense competition for a BUNCH of guys who know they CAN NOT win the regular high power class which is pretty much dominated by one or two stations, time after time after time.  I'm not denigrating the skill and engineering talent required to pull off a top all band high power station - I salute that.  But, unless you live in a very select area of the country, with plenty of stations to work above 1296 MHz, all the gear and skill in the world will do you no good.

I would welcome a 3 BAND HIGH POWER category and I believe it just might invigorate my rapidly diminishing desire to VHF contest, in general .  Anybody else have an opinion ?

-W9RM
DM58 CO


Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


Re: ARRL VHF test "3 BAND" category

Bob Norton
 

I need to address some maintenance issues to get me back on the VHF/UHF track. But, I for one would be most interested in a 3 band High Power category. Have found my niche on 3 Band but it would be nice to boost the ERP. Unfortunately limited to 50W on 432 by regulation, but with a new class I then could use full output of my 2 meter 170W brick amp and be incentivized to pursue more 2 meter output. Have 2 amps capable of 1K on 6 meters, shame not to use such.

With those of us scattered about the Rocky Mountain / Southwest wide open spaces with fixed stations 3 Band High Power would be ideal, IMO.

73, Bob N5EPA



On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 9:03 AM Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:
I think it's humorous that a lot of folks still think there is a HIGH POWER category as a subset of the 3 BAND class.

But, it brings up a question.  I, personally, would be all over a category like 3 BAND HIGH POWER.  3 band is a natural for where I live and, already having amplifiers to compete in the traditional high-power class (the big-boy class....wink wink nudge nudge), I'm not going to put them aside and take the BIG hit out here in the wilderness of trying to work "locals" 200 miles away with 100W on 432 or, our bread and butter 6M scatter with low power.

What do others think about petitioning the CAC to add a HIGH POWER subcategory to 3 BAND ?  It certainly wouldn't diminish the traditional (it's been around long enough that I can call it that) 3 band class - it gives people the choice, just like the all-band categories.  But, it WOULD open up, in my opinion, pretty intense competition for a BUNCH of guys who know they CAN NOT win the regular high power class which is pretty much dominated by one or two stations, time after time after time.  I'm not denigrating the skill and engineering talent required to pull off a top all band high power station - I salute that.  But, unless you live in a very select area of the country, with plenty of stations to work above 1296 MHz, all the gear and skill in the world will do you no good.

I would welcome a 3 BAND HIGH POWER category and I believe it just might invigorate my rapidly diminishing desire to VHF contest, in general .  Anybody else have an opinion ?

-W9RM
DM58 CO


Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


ARRL VHF test "3 BAND" category

Keith Morehouse
 

I think it's humorous that a lot of folks still think there is a HIGH POWER category as a subset of the 3 BAND class.

But, it brings up a question.  I, personally, would be all over a category like 3 BAND HIGH POWER.  3 band is a natural for where I live and, already having amplifiers to compete in the traditional high-power class (the big-boy class....wink wink nudge nudge), I'm not going to put them aside and take the BIG hit out here in the wilderness of trying to work "locals" 200 miles away with 100W on 432 or, our bread and butter 6M scatter with low power.

What do others think about petitioning the CAC to add a HIGH POWER subcategory to 3 BAND ?  It certainly wouldn't diminish the traditional (it's been around long enough that I can call it that) 3 band class - it gives people the choice, just like the all-band categories.  But, it WOULD open up, in my opinion, pretty intense competition for a BUNCH of guys who know they CAN NOT win the regular high power class which is pretty much dominated by one or two stations, time after time after time.  I'm not denigrating the skill and engineering talent required to pull off a top all band high power station - I salute that.  But, unless you live in a very select area of the country, with plenty of stations to work above 1296 MHz, all the gear and skill in the world will do you no good.

I would welcome a 3 BAND HIGH POWER category and I believe it just might invigorate my rapidly diminishing desire to VHF contest, in general .  Anybody else have an opinion ?

-W9RM
DM58 CO


Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


N7GP/R ROVER PLANS THIS WEEKEND JAN VHF CONTEST

Tom N7GP
 

To ALL..
I will starting out noon local in DM42 then DM43, DM33, DM34,then DM44 and DM45..return same route back in DM32 late evening Saturday.
I will be spending the night in DM32 and DM33 and DM42 running MSk 144 on 6 and 2 mtrs..
On Sunday I will be Starting at 7 am in DM32 then DM33 then DM42, DM43, Rustlers Roost about 10 am Local 1700 UTC ,,,,then moving return trip back thru DM43, DM42, DM33 AND ending up DM32 at 1 PM for start of Rover convergence... Will be circling DM32, 33, 42, 43. all Sunday afternoon and evening..until end of contest...
I will have digital modes on 6, 2, 222 and 432,, and I am looking for Schedules, anytime of day or night.

my Cell is 419-370-8802..
Or email wa8wzgh@...
Call or email for ANY schedules ....any band!!

I have all bands 6 meters thru 10 GHz .. 9 BANDS...this trip....SSB, FM CW and Digital.
I am open to any attempts on any band...ANY TIME!!!!
Looking forward to working many of you !!
Thanks
Tom
N7GP/R
ex WA8WZG


Re: Jan VHF contest roving plan

James C
 

Hi John,

I'll be looking for you from 66,84,85 ( Only a few left in NM thanks to you!)
I understand this is for the contest but I'll be doing my best to work you in those grids.
Are you running your standard setup? Moxon/100w?
CM on .260?

If we can't get it done would you be open to accepting an M2 3elSS antenna as a donation to your roving efforts?

I appreciate all the new grids and would love to get this antenna in your hands. 

Thank you, Best of luck and stay safe! 73 .-James K7KQA DN06




Jan VHF contest roving plan

John Klem
 

Here's what I'm thinking:

Saturday

1900Z DM76xv (Truchas Overlook)
2200Z DM66wa

Sunday

1500Z DM74xv
1900Z DM84at
2300Z DM85fa

I am not particularly attached to this plan, so if someone else wants to take a crack at any of these (especially DM76 and DM66) just let me know and I'll adjust.

Times are all approximate and depend on activity, need for sleep, my judgement of evening Es probability, etc.  I believe I'll have cell service everywhere except DM84, so I'll be on NMVHF Slack chat to start but probably move to VHF-Chat Slack rover-raregrid when it's slow.

I'll have the usual setup with 6/2/432, all modes.

73,

John, AA5PR