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[VHFcontesting] Fwd: VHF Contests Rules Discussion and Proposal

Keith Morehouse
 

This came through the VHF CONTESTING mailing list last night.
There have been numerous replies on that list
My reply follows.

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


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From: Bob, W3IDT <w3idt@...>
Date: Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:21 PM
Subject: [VHFcontesting] Fwd: VHF Contests Rules Discussion and Proposal
To: <vhfcontesting@...>



I have sent the following discussion and proposal for VHF Contest Rule
Changes to appropriate ARRL and CQ contest personnel. If you are
interested in the future of VHF contests, please read carefully and
offer your considered opinions and alternate recommendations.

Please forward to your local contest and vhf clubs.

[A copy of this email with a PDF version attached for ease of
re-distribution is somewhere in the email system; it may or may not
appear in VHFcontesting.]

TO:     Distribution List
      at bottom of this memo.

FROM:     Robert F. Teitel, w3idt
      for the Wopsononock Mountaintop Operators
      VHF contest club, W3SO

      And while this proposal is NOT an official
      Potomac Valley Radio Club (PVRC) position,
      it does represent what appears to be a
      consensus of a number of our VHF operators.

RE:    VHF Contests Rules Discussion and Proposal



CONTEXT:

The Wopsononock Mountaintop Operators VHF club (operating first as W3YOZ
then as W3SO in Western Pennsylvania) has participated in almost every
VHF contest for the past 25 years.[*]

We usually produce among the top scores in the limited multi-operator
class. Thus we are in a position to comment on VHF contesting from long
and extensive experience.

[*] Only exception has been four January contests when we had snow and
ice so bad that operating was simply not possible. This past January
2020 contest, after a couple of hours of operation, we lost the rest of
Saturday due to ice, and had to wait until at least some of the ice
melted on Sunday to resume operation. Such is life contesting from a
mountaintop in Western Pennsylvania in the winter. The rest of the year
it's usually very nice!]

SUMMARY:

1. We don't need to research detail numbers of contest participants or
number of QSOs to know what has happened to VHF contests in the past
year or so: CW and SSB participation is WAY down, and activity on 222
and 432 has almost disappeared. Oh yeah, a huge continent-wide Eskip
opening does bring some participants, once the word gets out. But that
does not represent normal contest activity.

In short, Marshall, K5QE, - who manages another major limited
multi-operator class station - stated the essence of the problem in his
3830 post with his results from the January 2020 VHF contest:
"NOT A SINGLE SSB CONTACT ON 6M".

The cause is, of course, the tremendous increase in the use of FT8.

2. We do NOT have anything against FT8 (or FT4).
Its use for weak signal contacts on HF and VHF has been a tremendous
advance, especially for the increasing number of hams living in antenna
restricted communities. We also don't object to appropriate use of FT8
in VHF contests (though we wish more stations would make use of the more
contest oriented FT4).

3. There has been much discussion lately, in the VHF contesting
reflector and among VHF operators, concerning what should be done to
increase activity on the VHF bands during contests.

The following are among the major suggestions:

A: Banning DIGITAL operations in general, or FT4/FT8 specifically, in
VHF contests.
We do NOT favor this approach.

B. Allocate DIFFERENT point values to the (SINGLE) contact per station
made with CW, with VOICE, or with DIGITAL modes in general or with
FT4/FT8 specifically.
We do NOT favor this approach.

C: Change the various VHF contests to have different rules;
that is, for example, have the ARRL January contest be ALL FT4/FT8; the
ARRL June contest have different point values depending on the contact
mode; and the September contest a multi-mode contest (and let the CQ
contest committee and VHF contest manager make a choice among various
options for the July contest).
We do NOT favor this approach.

D: Add more competitive classes, such as an "FT4/FT8 only" class to
complement the current "FM only" class.
We do NOT favor this approach.
In fact, we would favor the removal of the "FM only" class.

E1: Permit MULTIPLE contacts with the same station using different
modes, CW, VOICE(AM,SSB,FM), and ANY DIGITAL, with the SAME contact
value for each contact.
We MILDLY favor this approach in general, but have some concerns
regarding specific rules.

E2: Permit MULTIPLE contacts with the same station using different
modes, CW, VOICE(AM,SSB,FM), and ANY DIGITAL, with DIFFERENT point
values to contacts in different modes.
We STRONGLY favor this approach in general, but again have some concerns
regarding specific rule (as discussed below).


DISCUSSION:

on A: Banning DIGITAL operations in general, or FT4/FT8 specifically.

Stations not near densely population areas rely on Meteor Scatter (MS)
and Earth-Moon-Earth (Moon-Bounce or EME) modes to work grids outside
their immediate vicinity; we certainly do NOT want to ban such activity;
in fact, it should be encouraged.
[We, at W3SO, do very little MS or EME, not that we are near high
population areas - we definitely are not - but for whatever reason none
of our operators has so far been interested.]

Trying to craft rules prohibiting FT4/FT8 and/or similar "simple and
fast" digital modes yet permitting / encouraging "complex and slow" MS
and EME modes would be difficult, though possible. Hence, in order to
protect MS and EME modes, we have to accept FT4/FT8 as a valid DIGITAL
modes. As noted earlier, we have nothing against FT4/FT8. It is simply
another mode of communication.

A major limitation of FT4/FT8 for VHF contesting is the inability to
request the availability of other bands and to pass a FT4/FT8 station to
other bands. By using FT4/FT8, operators make the choice not to pass
callers to other bands. [The developers of FT4/FT8 are aware of this
problem.]

We do NOT favor banning DIGITAL operations in general, or FT4/FT8
specifically.

on B: Allocate DIFFERENT point values to the (SINGLE) contact per
station made with CW, with VOICE, or with DIGITAL modes in general or
with FT4/FT8 specifically.

There are two problems with this approach for VHF contests.

The first is that it does virtually nothing to ameliorate the basic VHF
contest problem: Lack of CW and VOICE activity. We seriously doubt that
FT4/FT8 stations would suddenly gravitate to CW (assuming it is the
highest valued mode). A few normally VOICE/CW operators might come back,
but that doesn't increase the total number of participants.

The second is how to assign the point values. That CW operating skill is
greater than VOICE operating skill is universally acknowledged in
amateur radio; hence, its usual higher point value in mixed mode
contests (or in non-contest Field Day). How would "simple and fast"
digital FT4/FT8 contacts be valued relative to VOICE, CW, or "complex
and slow" digital MS and EME contacts?

We don't want dismiss different point values for different mode contacts
as such, even though there might be considerable controversy over the
actual point values.

We do NOT favor allocating DIFFERENT point values for SINGLE contacts
made with different modes because it would do very little to increase CW
or VOICE participation.

On C: Change the various VHF contests to have different rules; that is,
for example, have the ARRL January contest be ALL digital or ALL
FT4/FT8; the ARRL June contest be a differential point value contest;
and the September contest a multi-mode contest (and let the CQ contest
committee and VHF contest manager make a choice among all the options).

Hard to predict how this would be received by the VHF community at
large. Since we are NOT in favor of at least two of the choices, we
could hardly be in favor of such an approach. The UHF/Microwave
community would certainly object, as there would now be one whole
contest without the possibility of moving stations to higher bands (or
"running the bands").

We do NOT favor vastly different rules for the different VHF (and
UHF/Microwave) contests.

On D: Add more competitive classes, such as an "FT4/FT8 only" class to
complement the current "FM only" class.

We think of the available modes as being CW, VOICE (AM,SSB,FM), and
DIGITAL (RTTY, any WSJT or similar mode). Fragmenting participation in
various sub-modes is not the direction we need in VHF contests, just the
opposite: We need more general participation, not less.

We do NOT favor adding additional competitive classes.
In fact, we would favor the removal of the "FM only" class.

ON E1 and E2.
E1: Permit MULTIPLE contacts with the same station using different
modes, CW, VOICE(AM,SSB,FM), and ANY DIGITAL, with the SAME point value
for each contact.

E2: Permit MULTIPLE contacts with the same station using different
modes, CW, VOICE(AM,SSB,FM), and ANY DIGITAL, with DIFFERENT point
values to contacts in different modes or submodes.

Both these options provide the ultimate goal: Increase activity in VHF
contests. If today, some station typically works 200 contacts, rule
changes E1 or E2 could provide up to 600 contacts depending on specific
implementation.

Increased use of CW and VOICE contacts provide the ability to move
stations to other bands.

We lean to DIFFERENT point values for contacts in the three modes, CW,
VOICE, and DIGITAL. But recognize the problems creating equitable point
values for the different modes and, especially, distinguishing between
"simple and fast" digital FT4/FT8 contacts with one point value, and
"complex and slow" digital MS and EME contacts another value, as noted
above in the discussion of option (B:).

In addition, "manufactured contacts" are one of our major concerns. We
certainly do NOT want a pair of stations finishing a VOICE contact to
then send "dit-dit" to each other and count it as a CW contact. This
concern leads to a secondary issue: How many contacts in which modes on
which bands?

The latter issue is complicated and based on operator (radio) band
capability, FCC band segment allocations, and current practice, keeping
in mind that the goal is increased participation in VHF contests.

On 6m, the "complication" doesn't exist: Most current radios have 6m
capability, there is an exclusive CW band segment, and current practice
is to have true CW contacts in that exclusive band segment. THREE
contacts, one CW in the exclusive CW band segment, one VOICE, one any
DIGITAL, with or without different point values would increase activity
considerably, and might even draw in normally HF contesters.

The high bands, 222/432MHz, 902/1296MHz, and 2.3GHz/higher, are really
used only by serious VHF contest operators (who might also be serious HF
contest operators), and do not have an exclusive CW band allocation;
they can easily have a common set of multiple contact rules. So, how to
prevent "manufactured contacts"? Three potential contest rules:
1) Require a minimum frequency change between those contacts (similar to
HF Sprints),
2) Prescribe an "exclusive CW segment" (similar to some HF contest
specified band segments), or
3) Require a minimum amount of time between those contacts.
We lean to (2): An exclusive CW band segment prescribed by the contest
rules.

2m is the most complicated from a multiple contact rules perspective:
Few radios have 2m built in, so drawing the HF crowd to 2m contesting is
more problematic; and there is an FCC designated exclusive CW band
segment, but current practice is to have CW contacts in the SSB band
segment.

So, should the 2m rules follow those of 6m, or should the 2m rules
follow those of the higher bands?
1) Following the 6m rules implies CW contacts in the FCC designated
exclusive CW segment, contrary to current practice. But many "current
practices" would change in a MULTIPLE contacts per band environment.
2) Following the higher band rules implies (per our view stated above) a
contest rule designated exclusive CW band segment. What better exclusive
CW band segment than the one already designated by the FCC?

The discussion above leads to 6m and 2m having the same rules.

[On all bands, a mixed CW/VOICE contact should count as a VOICE contact
only, and the rules should make "manufactured contacts" impossible.]

CONCLUSION:

We are advocating a partial set of new rules for VHF contests:

1a. To permit up to THREE contacts per station, one each with CW, with
VOICE (any of AM, SSB, or FM), and with DIGITAL (RTTY, any WSJT or
similar mode), in all VHF contest bands, and

1b. That CW contacts be initiated and completed solely in the FCC
allocated exclusive CW band segments on 6m and 2m, and in contest rules
specified band segment on the higher bands.

2a. That DIFFERENT point values be assigned to the contacts in the
various modes ONLY IF an equitable system of point value assignment can
be be developed recognizing the distinction between "simple and fast"
digital and "complex and slow" digital contacts.

2b. For an initial discussion on point values, we would suggest
1) ONE point for "simple and fast" DIGITAL contacts such as FT4/FT8,
2) TWO points for VOICE contacts, and
3) THREE or FOUR points for CW or "complex and slow" DIGITAL contacts,
such as MS and EME.

This proposal does NOT address issues such as DIFFERENT multipliers for
contacts on different bands (CQ's ONE for 6m, TWO for 2m; ARRL's ONE for
6m and 2m, TWO for 222/432; FOUR for 902/1296; EIGHT for 2.3 of higher).

It also does NOT address Entry Categories.
It also does NOT address Assistance rules.
It also does NOT address Rover-related rules.

SUPPORT

This proposal has been discusses with a number of major VHF contest
participants within the Potomac Valley Radio Club (PVRC) (of which we
are members - but is NOT a formal PVRC position), and with other major
VHF contest participants well outside the mid-Atlantic area.

There is rather unanimous agreement that
a) current VHF contests are "broken", and
b) that multiple contacts on different modes per band would invigorate
VHF contest operations by generating much more activity and, perhaps,
attracting HF contest operators, at least to 6m.

There is not unanimous agreement on some of the operational details,
including the number of contacts, in which modes, on which bands, and
with what differential point values, precisely for the reasons discussed
at length above.

We have not listed the calls and names of those who have provided
contributions and constructive criticism to this discussion and
resulting recommendations in order to preserve their ability to issue
public comments with or without acknowledgement of their previous
participation.

It surely will take time for the contest committees to sort this all
out, and make appropriate changes to the contest rules.


Respectfully submitted.

Robert (Bob) F. Teitel, w3idt
for the Wopsononock Mountaintop Operators
VHF contest club, W3SO

W3IDT:
60 year ARRL membership pin.
Very long time ARRL Life Member,
so long that I don't remember
w3idt@...
w3idt@...
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To other VHF contest operators:

If you support these arguments for rule changes, please raise you voice
by writing to your ARRL (and CQ) contest and administrative
representatives.  Either formulate a proposal in your own words, or
simply state that your support this proposal.

If you do NOT support this proposal, please let that be known to the
appropriate sponsors AND please send me a copy of your alternative
suggestions.

The list of the ARRL Board Program and Services Committee below is
complete (taken from the ARRL website early February 2020). This
committee tasks the ARRL Contest Advisory Committee with any study of
rule changes for ARRL contests.

A list of the ARRL Contest Advisory Committee is available at the
following website: ARRL Contest Committee:
http://www.arrl.org/arrl-staff-cac
Select your committee representative.

A list of the ARRL Division Directors and Vice directors is available at
the following website: ARRL Division Directors:
http://www.arrl.org/divisions
Select your Division representatives.

A list of the ARRL Section Managers is available at the following website:
ARRL Section Managers:
http://www.arrl.org/divisions
Select your Section manager.

The email addresses of ARRL Headquarter personnel, and the CQ VHF
Contest Manager are the same for all correspondents.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Distribution list:

ARRL Board Program and Services Committee:

      Matt Holden, K0BBC, Dakota Division Director, Chairman
      k0bbc@...

      Mickey Baker, N4MB, Southeastern Division Director
      [The website says N4MB@....
       But a "copy email address" produces "gsarratt@..."
       The N4MB@... is probably correct.]

      David Norris, K5UZ, Delta Division Director
      k5uz@...

      Mike Ritz, W7VO, Northwestern Division Director
      w7vo@...

      Rod Blocksome, N0DAS, Midwest Division Director
      k0das@...

      Ed Hudgens, WB4RHQ, Delta Division Vice Director
      wb4rhq@...

      Bob Vallio, W6RGG, 2nd Vice President (Officer Liaison)
      W6RGG@...

      Norm Fusaro, W3IZ, (Staff Liaison)
      w3iz@...

ARRL Regional Officers:

      Chas Fulp, k3ww, k3ww@...
          Contest Advisory Committee
          Atlantic Division
      Tom Abernathy, w3tom, w3tom@...
          Atlantic Division Director
      Bob Famiglio, k3rf, k3rf@...
          Atlantic Division Vice Director
      Joe Shupienis, w3bc, sm@...
          WPA Section Manager

ARRL HQ:
      Bart Jahnke, w9jj, w9jj@...
          ARRL Radiosport and Field Services Manager.
      Paul Bourque, n1sfe, n1sfe@...
          Contest Manager
      Kathy Allison, ka1rwy, ka1rwy@...
          RadioSport Associate

CQ VHF Contest Manager:

      John Kalenowsky, k9jk, k9jk.cq@...
          CQ WW VHF Contest Director



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SVHFS 2020 Conference Postponed Indefinitely

Robin Midgett <K4IDC@...>
 

Because of the health and safety concern of our society members and the uncertainty of time of our National Emergency caused by the Corona virus pandemic, the Society’s Board of Directors elected to postpone this year’s conference indefinitely. The Board of Directors will be discussing alternate solutions for this year’s conference including the determination of registrations and the publishing of this year’s proceedings. The outcome of the Board’s decisions will be posted as soon as a determination has been made. For now, please stay healthy and safe, and enjoy our wonderful hobby.  

 

SVHFS Board of Directors




On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 7:27 PM K4IDC@... <robink4idc@...> wrote:
SVHFS Conference 2020 Registration...The Clock Is Ticking


Pre-registration is open through April 15, 2020. Please use the registration form on the conference web page here.

 

The 2020 Southeastern VHF Society Conference will be held in Gainesville, Georgia on April 24-25, 2020. Gainesville, GA is approximately 60 miles north of Atlanta in EM84ch. It is about 1.5 miles from I-985. 

The Ramada Inn, of Gainesville, Georgia is the conference hotel for the 2020 SVHFS Conference. The hotel is now taking reservations directly. To book your room, please see the conference page or follow this information:

The conference rate is $80 per night. To secure this rate, call the hotel directly at 770-531-0907. Do not call Ramada central reservations or book through the Ramada Website.

 

Ramada Inn

400 E.E. Butler Parkway

Gainesville, GA 30501

770-531-0907

N34.297420 / W083.8222475 – Google Maps link


Thanks,
Robin Midgett K4IDC


Re: 2019 ARRL SEP contest results

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, Mike WB2FKO wrote:
On 3/11/20 12:48 PM, Jonesy W3DHJ via Groups.Io wrote:

It looks like I never sent in my log! I find no evidence in my files
here -- only that I posted my results to the 3830 Contesting site.

sigh... These Golden Years are a bitch!
W3DHJ/R shows up in the posted line scores with 1690 points. You didn't make
the Top-5 for the Midwest Region for Limited Rover so weren't listed in QST.
So, then, I have mis-remembered my forgetting. Again, sigh... :-)

73
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK


SVHFS 2020 Registration Through April 15th

Robin Midgett <K4IDC@...>
 

SVHFS Conference 2020 Registration...The Clock Is Ticking


Pre-registration is open through April 15, 2020. Please use the registration form on the conference web page here.

 

The 2020 Southeastern VHF Society Conference will be held in Gainesville, Georgia on April 24-25, 2020. Gainesville, GA is approximately 60 miles north of Atlanta in EM84ch. It is about 1.5 miles from I-985. 

The Ramada Inn, of Gainesville, Georgia is the conference hotel for the 2020 SVHFS Conference. The hotel is now taking reservations directly. To book your room, please see the conference page or follow this information:

The conference rate is $80 per night. To secure this rate, call the hotel directly at 770-531-0907. Do not call Ramada central reservations or book through the Ramada Website.

 

Ramada Inn

400 E.E. Butler Parkway

Gainesville, GA 30501

770-531-0907

N34.297420 / W083.8222475 – Google Maps link


Thanks,
Robin Midgett K4IDC


Re: 2019 ARRL SEP contest results

Keith Morehouse
 

Here's the expanded results page for Sept VHF 2019:

..and the full line scores:

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Mike WB2FKO <mph@...> wrote:
W3DHJ/R shows up in the posted line scores with 1690 points. You didn't
make the Top-5 for the Midwest Region for Limited Rover so weren't
listed in QST.

Not making the Top-5 was the least of our problems that weekend; see
attached.

-WB2FKO

On 3/11/20 12:48 PM, Jonesy W3DHJ via Groups.Io wrote:
>   https://contests.arrl.org/ContestResults/2019/Sep-VHF-2019-FinalQSTResults.pdf
>
> It looks like I never sent in my log!  I find no evidence in my files
> here -- only that I posted my results to the 3830 Contesting site.
>
> sigh...  These Golden Years are a bitch!
>
> 73
> Jonesy




Re: 2019 ARRL SEP contest results

Mike WB2FKO
 

W3DHJ/R shows up in the posted line scores with 1690 points. You didn't make the Top-5 for the Midwest Region for Limited Rover so weren't listed in QST.

Not making the Top-5 was the least of our problems that weekend; see attached.

-WB2FKO

On 3/11/20 12:48 PM, Jonesy W3DHJ via Groups.Io wrote:
https://contests.arrl.org/ContestResults/2019/Sep-VHF-2019-FinalQSTResults.pdf

It looks like I never sent in my log! I find no evidence in my files
here -- only that I posted my results to the 3830 Contesting site.

sigh... These Golden Years are a bitch!

73
Jonesy


2019 ARRL SEP contest results

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

https://contests.arrl.org/ContestResults/2019/Sep-VHF-2019-FinalQSTResults.pdf

It looks like I never sent in my log! I find no evidence in my files
here -- only that I posted my results to the 3830 Contesting site.

sigh... These Golden Years are a bitch!

73
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK


New Mexico QSO Party -- Saturday, April 11

Brian Mileshosky
 

Fellow New Mexico Hams --

The 2020 New Mexico QSO Party takes place Saturday, April 11 from 8:00am MDT until 8:00pm MDT, and all Hams across New Mexico are invited to participate.  Amateur radio operators from across the United States -- and the world -- will be seeking New Mexicans on HF, 6 meters, and 2 meters during the event period, looking particularly to work hams in as many New Mexico counties as possible.  The Land of Enchantment will essentially be the "DX" on this day, making for a great time for all who participate.  Last year hundreds of amateur radio operators around the world participated, including 89 New Mexico hams and 14 New Mexico amateur radio clubs.

We are looking for hams within each and every one of New Mexico's 33 counties to participate in the 2020 New Mexico QSO Party, whether for just a few convenient hours or for the entire 12 hour period.

This is a super event for new and experienced hams alike. Operate from the comfort of your home, or combine forces with hams in your club as a club activity.  Invite a group of friends to your shack.  Hit the road as a mobile station and activate multiple counties which create much needed -- and appreciated -- point multipliers for everyone who participates in the QSO Party.  Use this event as an opportunity to introduce a neighbor or friend to ham radio.  Or rally friends and club members to set up, Field Day style, as part of the special expedition category.

ATTENTION HAM CLUBS: The New Mexico QSO Party is a superb club-building activity, and there are two special awards available just for clubs.  The first is a plaque that will be awarded to the New Mexico club with the highest aggregate score submitted by its members. Another plaque will be awarded to the New Mexico Club whose members activate the highest aggregate number of New Mexico counties around the state. It doesn't matter what operating category your members participate in, or for how long; each entrant just needs to clearly mark their club name in their individual logs and your club will be automatically entered. Complete details in the New Mexico QSO Party rules.

This year's event is hosted by the Rocky Mountain Ham Radio, New Mexico.  Great-looking plaques will be awarded and participation certificates will be available for those desiring one.  Complete details, rules, prize information, and more can be found on the New Mexico QSO Party website at www.NewMexicoQSOParty.org

Are you planning to get on the air and operate from your home shack, with friends, alongside your club at its club station, mobile, or portable?  Even if tentative at this point, please visit www.NewMexicoQSOParty.org and let us know what county (or counties) you plan to operate from so we can list you on the NM QSO Party website’s activation table and interactive map.  Our goal is to have as many hams as possible operating from all of New Mexico counties during the event.

Please help spread the word about the 2020 New Mexico QSO Party.  With your help we look forward to all 33 counties being activated this year.  See you on the air in about a month!

Thanks and 73,
Brian N5ZGT
New Mexico QSO Party website: www.NewMexicoQSOParty.org


Re: [azvhf] [NEWSVHF] Fwd: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting

James Duffey
 

:^)=

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Feb 26, 2020, at 11:51, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


..what I mean by FT* is "FT8 or FT4"
..no un-shift needed :)

-RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:37 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
Keith - I agree and I think that this is more of an issue with newcomers to weak signal VHF not knowing the protocol for what is a complete QSO and what is not. I would find it hard to believe that anyone familiar with waiting for the last rogers and 73s in a SSB/CW QSO would have trouble waiting for them in an FT8 QSO.

I suspect that over the years that you and I have been working contests we have spent a couple of hours waiting for those last rogers and 73s.

A hard lesson to learn for newcomers is that if you have heard a person once on troposcatter, you are likely to hear them again if you wait long enough.

Don’t forget to unshift on FIGs. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Feb 26, 2020, at 09:06, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


"Reasonably confident" are the watchwords here.

Many FT* NILs are, I'm certain, caused by guys simply sending their RR73 once and moving on, no matter HOW LONG it's taken to get to that point.  If the QSO has taken a while, the chances of the other station receiving that RR73 on the FIRST OVER are slim.  The answering station never logs the Q and, bingo, a NIL !   If you're going to act like you're all big and loud, you might as well be on SSB where you can run a decent rate, instead of on a 40/hour (if that) mode.

On the other hand, when using FT* it's IMPORTANT to ACKNOWLEDGE those RR's or RR73's, at least until you copy the guy you (think) just worked you sending 73, CQ or immediately working someone else.  If a guy who's CQing is at all interested in his bust rate, he very well might not log you without SOME indication that you actually received his RRR or RR73.  I don't...

BTW, the same goes for meteor scatter modes like MSK144.  Be REASONABLY CONFIDENT and/or ACKNOWLEDGE !  Just say no to NIL !

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:21 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
This is good reading and useful information.

The first point, learning to use the alternate F1-F6 bindings, is also good for QSYing stations to other bands. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Feb 26, 2020, at 08:07, Jay <whereisjay@...> wrote:


This is worth a read.
Especially as more and more users are discovering that they can take part in VHF contests by using the digital modes.
Here is what I think is the most important part of the PDF.


As a general set of guidelines for logging in FT4/FT8 contests we recommend the following:
  • In WSJT-X, activate and learn to use the Alternate F1-F6 bindings selectable on the Settings | General tab.

  • Always log a QSO when you have received RRR, RR73, or 73 from a station you are working.

  • Log a QSO when you send RR73 if you are reasonably confident it will be copied. But be sure to watch for any indication that it was not copied, and then take appropriate action. For example, if you receive the Tx3 message (R plus contest exchange) again, hit F4 to re-send your RR73.


- Jay, N1AV

---------- Forwarded message ---------

From: Mike Seguin <n1jez@...>
Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:46 AM
Subject: [NEWSVHF] Fwd: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting
To: NEWS <newsvhf@...>


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:36:29 -0500
From: Joe Taylor <joe@...>
To: 'Pack Rats Reflector' <packrats@...>

Log checking for several recent contests that used the FT4 and FT8 modes
has shown undesirably large numbers of claimed QSOs that receive
not-in-log ("NIL") status from the other station.  The WSJT development
team has worked together with contest sponsors and log checkers to
analyze the probable causes of these NILs.  Our findings and some
operating advice for future contests are posted here:
http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_FT8_Contesting.pdf
and will also appear in the May-June 2020 issue of NCJ, the National
Contest Journal.

      73 from the authors of the study:

     Steve Franke, K9AN
     Don Hill, AA5AU
     Ed Muns, W0YK
     Iztok Saje S52D
     Joe Taylor, K1JT

====

Mike, N1JEZ
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Re: [azvhf] [NEWSVHF] Fwd: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting

Gary
 

Hello,

Thank ya'll for the information about using keyboard bindings. I didn't know about them as they are not mentioned in the main user guides for either 2.0 or 2.1. For those
who are interested, you can find the option mentioned in https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_Protocol.pdf


Re: [azvhf] [NEWSVHF] Fwd: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting

Keith Morehouse
 

..what I mean by FT* is "FT8 or FT4"
..no un-shift needed :)

-RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:37 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
Keith - I agree and I think that this is more of an issue with newcomers to weak signal VHF not knowing the protocol for what is a complete QSO and what is not. I would find it hard to believe that anyone familiar with waiting for the last rogers and 73s in a SSB/CW QSO would have trouble waiting for them in an FT8 QSO.

I suspect that over the years that you and I have been working contests we have spent a couple of hours waiting for those last rogers and 73s.

A hard lesson to learn for newcomers is that if you have heard a person once on troposcatter, you are likely to hear them again if you wait long enough.

Don’t forget to unshift on FIGs. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Feb 26, 2020, at 09:06, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


"Reasonably confident" are the watchwords here.

Many FT* NILs are, I'm certain, caused by guys simply sending their RR73 once and moving on, no matter HOW LONG it's taken to get to that point.  If the QSO has taken a while, the chances of the other station receiving that RR73 on the FIRST OVER are slim.  The answering station never logs the Q and, bingo, a NIL !   If you're going to act like you're all big and loud, you might as well be on SSB where you can run a decent rate, instead of on a 40/hour (if that) mode.

On the other hand, when using FT* it's IMPORTANT to ACKNOWLEDGE those RR's or RR73's, at least until you copy the guy you (think) just worked you sending 73, CQ or immediately working someone else.  If a guy who's CQing is at all interested in his bust rate, he very well might not log you without SOME indication that you actually received his RRR or RR73.  I don't...

BTW, the same goes for meteor scatter modes like MSK144.  Be REASONABLY CONFIDENT and/or ACKNOWLEDGE !  Just say no to NIL !

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:21 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
This is good reading and useful information.

The first point, learning to use the alternate F1-F6 bindings, is also good for QSYing stations to other bands. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Feb 26, 2020, at 08:07, Jay <whereisjay@...> wrote:


This is worth a read.
Especially as more and more users are discovering that they can take part in VHF contests by using the digital modes.
Here is what I think is the most important part of the PDF.


As a general set of guidelines for logging in FT4/FT8 contests we recommend the following:
  • In WSJT-X, activate and learn to use the Alternate F1-F6 bindings selectable on the Settings | General tab.

  • Always log a QSO when you have received RRR, RR73, or 73 from a station you are working.

  • Log a QSO when you send RR73 if you are reasonably confident it will be copied. But be sure to watch for any indication that it was not copied, and then take appropriate action. For example, if you receive the Tx3 message (R plus contest exchange) again, hit F4 to re-send your RR73.


- Jay, N1AV

---------- Forwarded message ---------

From: Mike Seguin <n1jez@...>
Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:46 AM
Subject: [NEWSVHF] Fwd: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting
To: NEWS <newsvhf@...>


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:36:29 -0500
From: Joe Taylor <joe@...>
To: 'Pack Rats Reflector' <packrats@...>

Log checking for several recent contests that used the FT4 and FT8 modes
has shown undesirably large numbers of claimed QSOs that receive
not-in-log ("NIL") status from the other station.  The WSJT development
team has worked together with contest sponsors and log checkers to
analyze the probable causes of these NILs.  Our findings and some
operating advice for future contests are posted here:
http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_FT8_Contesting.pdf
and will also appear in the May-June 2020 issue of NCJ, the National
Contest Journal.

      73 from the authors of the study:

     Steve Franke, K9AN
     Don Hill, AA5AU
     Ed Muns, W0YK
     Iztok Saje S52D
     Joe Taylor, K1JT

====

Mike, N1JEZ
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Re: [azvhf] [NEWSVHF] Fwd: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting

James Duffey
 

Keith - I agree and I think that this is more of an issue with newcomers to weak signal VHF not knowing the protocol for what is a complete QSO and what is not. I would find it hard to believe that anyone familiar with waiting for the last rogers and 73s in a SSB/CW QSO would have trouble waiting for them in an FT8 QSO.

I suspect that over the years that you and I have been working contests we have spent a couple of hours waiting for those last rogers and 73s.

A hard lesson to learn for newcomers is that if you have heard a person once on troposcatter, you are likely to hear them again if you wait long enough.

Don’t forget to unshift on FIGs. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Feb 26, 2020, at 09:06, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


"Reasonably confident" are the watchwords here.

Many FT* NILs are, I'm certain, caused by guys simply sending their RR73 once and moving on, no matter HOW LONG it's taken to get to that point.  If the QSO has taken a while, the chances of the other station receiving that RR73 on the FIRST OVER are slim.  The answering station never logs the Q and, bingo, a NIL !   If you're going to act like you're all big and loud, you might as well be on SSB where you can run a decent rate, instead of on a 40/hour (if that) mode.

On the other hand, when using FT* it's IMPORTANT to ACKNOWLEDGE those RR's or RR73's, at least until you copy the guy you (think) just worked you sending 73, CQ or immediately working someone else.  If a guy who's CQing is at all interested in his bust rate, he very well might not log you without SOME indication that you actually received his RRR or RR73.  I don't...

BTW, the same goes for meteor scatter modes like MSK144.  Be REASONABLY CONFIDENT and/or ACKNOWLEDGE !  Just say no to NIL !

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:21 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
This is good reading and useful information.

The first point, learning to use the alternate F1-F6 bindings, is also good for QSYing stations to other bands. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Feb 26, 2020, at 08:07, Jay <whereisjay@...> wrote:


This is worth a read.
Especially as more and more users are discovering that they can take part in VHF contests by using the digital modes.
Here is what I think is the most important part of the PDF.


As a general set of guidelines for logging in FT4/FT8 contests we recommend the following:
  • In WSJT-X, activate and learn to use the Alternate F1-F6 bindings selectable on the Settings | General tab.

  • Always log a QSO when you have received RRR, RR73, or 73 from a station you are working.

  • Log a QSO when you send RR73 if you are reasonably confident it will be copied. But be sure to watch for any indication that it was not copied, and then take appropriate action. For example, if you receive the Tx3 message (R plus contest exchange) again, hit F4 to re-send your RR73.


- Jay, N1AV

---------- Forwarded message ---------

From: Mike Seguin <n1jez@...>
Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:46 AM
Subject: [NEWSVHF] Fwd: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting
To: NEWS <newsvhf@...>


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:36:29 -0500
From: Joe Taylor <joe@...>
To: 'Pack Rats Reflector' <packrats@...>

Log checking for several recent contests that used the FT4 and FT8 modes
has shown undesirably large numbers of claimed QSOs that receive
not-in-log ("NIL") status from the other station.  The WSJT development
team has worked together with contest sponsors and log checkers to
analyze the probable causes of these NILs.  Our findings and some
operating advice for future contests are posted here:
http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_FT8_Contesting.pdf
and will also appear in the May-June 2020 issue of NCJ, the National
Contest Journal.

      73 from the authors of the study:

     Steve Franke, K9AN
     Don Hill, AA5AU
     Ed Muns, W0YK
     Iztok Saje S52D
     Joe Taylor, K1JT

====

Mike, N1JEZ
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Re: [azvhf] [NEWSVHF] Fwd: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting

Keith Morehouse
 

"Reasonably confident" are the watchwords here.

Many FT* NILs are, I'm certain, caused by guys simply sending their RR73 once and moving on, no matter HOW LONG it's taken to get to that point.  If the QSO has taken a while, the chances of the other station receiving that RR73 on the FIRST OVER are slim.  The answering station never logs the Q and, bingo, a NIL !   If you're going to act like you're all big and loud, you might as well be on SSB where you can run a decent rate, instead of on a 40/hour (if that) mode.

On the other hand, when using FT* it's IMPORTANT to ACKNOWLEDGE those RR's or RR73's, at least until you copy the guy you (think) just worked you sending 73, CQ or immediately working someone else.  If a guy who's CQing is at all interested in his bust rate, he very well might not log you without SOME indication that you actually received his RRR or RR73.  I don't...

BTW, the same goes for meteor scatter modes like MSK144.  Be REASONABLY CONFIDENT and/or ACKNOWLEDGE !  Just say no to NIL !

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:21 AM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:
This is good reading and useful information.

The first point, learning to use the alternate F1-F6 bindings, is also good for QSYing stations to other bands. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Feb 26, 2020, at 08:07, Jay <whereisjay@...> wrote:


This is worth a read.
Especially as more and more users are discovering that they can take part in VHF contests by using the digital modes.
Here is what I think is the most important part of the PDF.


As a general set of guidelines for logging in FT4/FT8 contests we recommend the following:
  • In WSJT-X, activate and learn to use the Alternate F1-F6 bindings selectable on the Settings | General tab.

  • Always log a QSO when you have received RRR, RR73, or 73 from a station you are working.

  • Log a QSO when you send RR73 if you are reasonably confident it will be copied. But be sure to watch for any indication that it was not copied, and then take appropriate action. For example, if you receive the Tx3 message (R plus contest exchange) again, hit F4 to re-send your RR73.


- Jay, N1AV

---------- Forwarded message ---------

From: Mike Seguin <n1jez@...>
Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:46 AM
Subject: [NEWSVHF] Fwd: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting
To: NEWS <newsvhf@...>


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:36:29 -0500
From: Joe Taylor <joe@...>
To: 'Pack Rats Reflector' <packrats@...>

Log checking for several recent contests that used the FT4 and FT8 modes
has shown undesirably large numbers of claimed QSOs that receive
not-in-log ("NIL") status from the other station.  The WSJT development
team has worked together with contest sponsors and log checkers to
analyze the probable causes of these NILs.  Our findings and some
operating advice for future contests are posted here:
http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_FT8_Contesting.pdf
and will also appear in the May-June 2020 issue of NCJ, the National
Contest Journal.

      73 from the authors of the study:

     Steve Franke, K9AN
     Don Hill, AA5AU
     Ed Muns, W0YK
     Iztok Saje S52D
     Joe Taylor, K1JT

====

Mike, N1JEZ
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Re: [azvhf] [NEWSVHF] Fwd: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting

James Duffey
 

This is good reading and useful information.

The first point, learning to use the alternate F1-F6 bindings, is also good for QSYing stations to other bands. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Feb 26, 2020, at 08:07, Jay <whereisjay@...> wrote:


This is worth a read.
Especially as more and more users are discovering that they can take part in VHF contests by using the digital modes.
Here is what I think is the most important part of the PDF.


As a general set of guidelines for logging in FT4/FT8 contests we recommend the following:
  • In WSJT-X, activate and learn to use the Alternate F1-F6 bindings selectable on the Settings | General tab.

  • Always log a QSO when you have received RRR, RR73, or 73 from a station you are working.

  • Log a QSO when you send RR73 if you are reasonably confident it will be copied. But be sure to watch for any indication that it was not copied, and then take appropriate action. For example, if you receive the Tx3 message (R plus contest exchange) again, hit F4 to re-send your RR73.


- Jay, N1AV

---------- Forwarded message ---------

From: Mike Seguin <n1jez@...>
Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:46 AM
Subject: [NEWSVHF] Fwd: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting
To: NEWS <newsvhf@...>


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [Packrats] FT4 and FT8 Contesting
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:36:29 -0500
From: Joe Taylor <joe@...>
To: 'Pack Rats Reflector' <packrats@...>

Log checking for several recent contests that used the FT4 and FT8 modes
has shown undesirably large numbers of claimed QSOs that receive
not-in-log ("NIL") status from the other station.  The WSJT development
team has worked together with contest sponsors and log checkers to
analyze the probable causes of these NILs.  Our findings and some
operating advice for future contests are posted here:
http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_FT8_Contesting.pdf
and will also appear in the May-June 2020 issue of NCJ, the National
Contest Journal.

      73 from the authors of the study:

     Steve Franke, K9AN
     Don Hill, AA5AU
     Ed Muns, W0YK
     Iztok Saje S52D
     Joe Taylor, K1JT

====

Mike, N1JEZ
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[SVHFS] SVHFS Conference 2020 Registration & Call For Papers

Robin Midgett <K4IDC@...>
 

SVHFS Conference 2020 Registration & Call For Papers

 

The 2020 Southeastern VHF Society Conference will be held in Gainesville, Georgia on April 24-25, 2020. Gainesville, GA is approximately 60 miles north of Atlanta in EM84ch. It is about 1.5 miles from I-985. 

The Ramada Inn, of Gainesville, Georgia is the conference hotel for the 2020 SVHFS Conference. The hotel is now taking reservations directly. To book your room, please see the conference page or follow this information:

The conference rate is $80 per night. To secure this rate, call the hotel directly at 770-531-0907. Do not call Ramada central reservations or book through the Ramada Website.

 

Ramada Inn

400 E.E. Butler Parkway

Gainesville, GA 30501

770-531-0907

N34.297420 / W083.8222475 – Google Maps link

 

Conference Pre-registration:

Pre-registration is now open through April 15, 2020. Please use the registration form on the conference web page here.

 

Call for papers:

Papers and presentations are solicited on both the technical and operational aspects of VHF, UHF and Microwave weak signal amateur radio. The deadline for the submission of papers and presentations for this year’s conference is March 7, 2020. Please indicate when you submit your paper or presentation if you plan to attend the conference and present your paper in person or if you are submitting solely for publication.  Papers and presentations are being handled by Charles Osborne, K4CSO, and they should be sent to Charles via K4CSO@.... Charles can be contacted at the same email address if you have any questions.

 

Please see http://svhfs.org/wp/conference/call-for-papers/ for complete details concerning papers and presentations.

Some suggested areas of interest are:

Transmitters

Receivers

Transverters

RF Power Amplifiers

RF Low Noise Pre Amplifiers

Antennas

Construction Projects

Test Equipment And Station Accessories

Station Design And Construction

Contesting

Roving

DXpeditions

EME

Propagation (Sporadic E, Meteor Scatter, Troposphere Ducting, etc.)

Digital Modes (WSJT, etc.)

Digital Signal Processing (DSP)

Software Defined Radio (SDR)

Amateur Satellites

Amateur Television

Unexpected project challenges, things that didn't go right at first; this information helps others avoid the issues.


Thanks,
Robin Midgett K4IDC


Re: need help with vhf/uhf demo

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

On Tue, 11 Feb 2020, Bruce Draper wrote:

The meeting went very well. Very smart kids, supportive parents. Their main
interest was emergency communications, but we covered a lot of other
ground. We talked about HF, VHF, UHF. Listened to ssb, cw, rtty, ft8.
Showed them everything from battery powered HTs and QRP HF rigs to 1.5 kW
desktop setups. Even had a mobile station in the driveway, and
generator-powered setup outside. I think we might have a couple new hams
soon ;-)

-Bruce AA5B
Wow! Good on you, mate!!
That sounds Very Close to being a HamFest. HI!HI!

73
Jonesy
--
Marvin L Jones | W3DHJ | W3DHJ | https://W3DHJ.net/
Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK


Re: need help with vhf/uhf demo

Bruce Draper
 

The meeting went very well. Very smart kids, supportive parents. Their main interest was emergency communications, but we covered a lot of other ground. We talked about HF, VHF, UHF. Listened to ssb, cw, rtty, ft8. Showed them everything from battery powered HTs and QRP HF rigs to 1.5 kW desktop setups. Even had a mobile station in the driveway, and generator-powered setup outside. I think we might have a couple new hams soon ;-)

   -Bruce AA5B

 

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 8:29 PM Bruce Draper via Groups.Io <bruceaa5b=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I was contacted by a teacher/coach of a small group of kids who would like to hear more about ham radio, and especially emergency comm stuff. They're 10-11 years old and part of a home-schooled robotics team. I can show them HF, CW, phone, RTTY, both fixed and mobile (and portable with the generator), antennas, etc. But she also specifically mentioned "walkie talkies, emergencies, and Red Cross." Can any of you come to my house in Los Ranchos in the next several days and bring an HT and/or some mobile setup for show and tell with these kids?

   -Bruce AA5B


need help with vhf/uhf demo

Bruce Draper
 

I was contacted by a teacher/coach of a small group of kids who would like to hear more about ham radio, and especially emergency comm stuff. They're 10-11 years old and part of a home-schooled robotics team. I can show them HF, CW, phone, RTTY, both fixed and mobile (and portable with the generator), antennas, etc. But she also specifically mentioned "walkie talkies, emergencies, and Red Cross." Can any of you come to my house in Los Ranchos in the next several days and bring an HT and/or some mobile setup for show and tell with these kids?

   -Bruce AA5B


MCL MMIC wanted

Keith Morehouse
 

..anybody have any Mini Circuits PHA-13LN+ MMICs they would like to part with ?  Minimum purchase quantity on the MCL vendor site is 20 pcs - I only need a small quantity (under 5) and can't find any other source.

https://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/PHA-13LN+.pdf  

TIA

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


K0NR and K0JJW

Arne N7KA
 

Received email from Bob and they will be on Mt Lemon, DM42ok, about 1PM today.

Arne N7KA

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