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222 & up contest this weekend

Keith Morehouse
 

Like the title says...222 & Up ! 

Starts Saturday at local noon and runs for 24 hours.  This is a 'distance challenge' where actual QSO miles are scored, so you need to send your 6 character grid square.  EME QSOs do not count.

I will be around at the start for a while, monitoring 222.1 & 432.1 and then early Sunday morning, trying to convince people to run on 222 meteor scatter.

Good luck !

-W9RM

Keith Morehouse
via MotoG


Not much to offer for CQWW

Bob Norton
 

OK, I admit that I am less motivated than most of you!

Got home Saturday PM to discover any band opening was over.

Sunday, bits and pieces. Granted, I only worked all but one contact on 6m SSB. Do you remember SSB? Gawd, I feel so old!

My puny submission already has been made in the name of New Mexico VHF Society. I urge all of you to do the same.

Band was largely dead with a half hour to go, so took another break. Fired up 6m with about 3 minutes to go in the contest.

Found big signal K1TEO from FN31 and worked with one minute to spare. Longest distance QSO of the weekend. Ya just never know on this band!

73, Bob N5EPA




AA5PR/R in CQWW VHF

John Klem
 

I stayed pretty close to home for this one:  DM75 and DM74 Saturday, and DM55 Sunday.  

Saturday was not great, although it picked up somewhat later in the day when I was in DM74.  I was happy to work a few east coast stations, but I suspect that many stations in EM were pointing east or toward Asia instead of toward us.  

I didn't spend much time planning the trip to DM55, so it was great to find a nice forested spot right on the continental divide, with a good radio horizon in most directions.

About 20% of my QSOs were SSB, and the remainder FT8.  I would have enjoyed making more SSB contacts, but that well ran dry pretty quickly.  FT4 will wait until I implement fully automated logging, which didn't seem necessary until now.

The lack of 2 m activity was pretty disappointing, but it took some of the sting out of the realization that my brand new 2 m amplifier wouldn't key on SSB.

Total contacts: 133
Total multipliers: 80
Score: 10,880

Station
6 m:  100 W + Moxon
2 m:  4 W SSB, 80 W FT8 + 7 elements

John, AA5PR


Re: After Action Report (DM77,DM78,DM87,DM88)

KC7QY
 

Interesting observation Jonesey. I just went back and looked at my 2018 summary. Twice the Qs and mults under worse propagation running SSB and CW only last year. Score nearly 3X last year over this.

Jim KC7QY


On Monday, July 22, 2019, 05:34:02 PM MDT, Jonesy W3DHJ via Groups.Io <mailserver@...> wrote:


OK, after proof-reading my paper log with my transcribed Cabrillo log,
I corrected several errors.  So, my new claimed score
is:
    3588
which is about 1/9th of my 2018 score.
... and, will no doubt will be reduced further by the contest robot.
(It never seems to be increased,....)


Re: After Action Report (DM77,DM78,DM87,DM88)

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

OK, after proof-reading my paper log with my transcribed Cabrillo log,
I corrected several errors.  So, my new claimed score
is:
    3588
which is about 1/9th of my 2018 score.
... and, will no doubt will be reduced further by the contest robot.
(It never seems to be increased,....)


Re: W9RM CQWW-VHF

Keith Morehouse
 

Oh - 500W + 4 el will put you into the "Big Dog" rover class on meteor scatter !

MSK144 is very easy to learn and use and there is a huge following by both the casual VHF guys AND the FFMA guys.  I don't have access to the list right now but I'll bet there are more then one "rare" NM grids for FFMA.  Once you get your head around how meteors work and when the best time to operate is, it's a piece of cake !

Heck, with 500W on your end, I'm sure we could work on CW.

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:56 AM Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:
I can do 500 W + the 4 elements ;-)
Haven’t tried MSK, but I am set up for FT8.
Let’s talk about it...

    -Bruce 


On Monday, July 22, 2019, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:
Sounds like you've got a good system.

I need to work DM63 for my last NM grid.  It's too close for E skip, but it's do-able on scatter with enough power on the DM63 end.  Using one of the WSJTX modes with their better S/N, makes it even more likely.  It can also be effective any time of year, meaning one doesn't need to focus on those 3 months of potential sporadic E.

If you can put 100W on the air using MSK144 or FT8, I'll bet we could complete.  I'll also bet I'm not the only guy who needs that grid.  Morning meteor scatter at that power with 4 elements gives you 1000 mile capability.

-W9RM

Keith Morehouse
via MotoG

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 6:58 AM Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:
I operated on 6 for just a little while on Saturday in the spaces between dog class, shopping, yard work, and volleyball practice. But as others have pointed out, conditions were bad and few QSOs were made.

On Sunday morning I finished working on a 6-meter portable yagi that I’d started building on Friday, so I threw some gear in the truck and drove to a nice spot in DM64. It takes literally less than 2 minutes to take the yagi out of the vehicle, assemble it, and get it in the air. Another 2 minutes to start the generator and be on the air. With the better conditions, I worked a dozen stations from ABQ to SoCal while running only 15 Watts and the antenna at only 6 feet. SSB only, didn’t take the laptop for FT8. Didn’t stay out there long — it was just a test run, and it started raining not long after I arrived. But I at least demonstrated that I now have a portable station that I can use on the spur of the moment. BTW, electrically the antenna is a 4-el YU7EF design, but I mutated it to a snap-together PVC and wire affair. Seems to have a great pattern and good gain.

   -Bruce AA5B



On Sunday, July 21, 2019, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:
Wow...what a difference a few hundred miles makes.  After seeing some comments stations not that far back east, I feel like I was in a different country for this contest.


Re: FT8 contest mode incompatibly

Scott K5TA
 

Yes, I got the message, and replied — I guess I should have tried to put your call in there to “make it red” but couldn’t figure how to jam it all in quickly. You would have had to know my TX freq to be sure who was talking.  

-TA

image1.jpeg


On Jul 22, 2019, at 2:41 PM, James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:

Scott - There were a couple of times when I heard you calling CQ on FT8 that I used the free form message to see if you would QSY to 2M. I never got a response, I wonder if you got the message or not. If you got it and didn’t want to QSY, that is OK, I see you were 6M only. If you got it and didn’t understand I would like to know that too, so I can change my technique in the future. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 22, 2019, at 14:14, Bill <bill4070@...> wrote:

Scott,

Nice work on 300+!

When working the DXpedition(s) I became obsessed about  stations sharing signal reports but not grids. That until Mike FKO reminded me that I had made legal contacts because I was not in a contest and therefore any exchange will pass for a legal contact...... even funny little numbers. I'll be glad when this newby confusion ends......

Bill W7QQ

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 1:29 PM Scott K5TA <k5ta@...> wrote:
To add a little extra confusion to the stew,  I have noticed that some people, mostly on (grid) DXpeditions have been calling CQ TEST outside of contests, especially on MSK144, probably looking for the shortest possible QSOs. 

My total is shown below. Very casual FT8 only. The big advantage of that mode for me is that I can sit in the bedroom watching TV with an iPad in my lap and work people via a remote desktop app. 

I did work TI2 for a new DXCC, and enough grids to put me over 300 if everyone uploads to LoTW.  I’m happy. 

-Scott K5TA 

<image1.jpeg>


On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:39 AM, James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:

Don’t worry about the NIL. I suspect that most of the guys doing that are casual contestants and won’t submit a log. 

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:00, KC7QY <kc7qy@...> wrote:

Keith,

I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came back with a 73 after my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.

Jim KC7QY


On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.

You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode.  No worries, you think.  The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through.  You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange.  You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence.  What ??  OK, maybe I got QRMed.  Try again, and same thing.  You can't progress to the finish.

What you do now is left to the individual.  What I did was terminate the Q and moved on.  You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode.  Whatever... the Q was either made or not.

What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me.  HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this.  Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ?  Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ?  I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.

This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test).  It's.....The Clones !!  Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV !  THEY don't have contest mode !   They can't autosequence past TX2.  So, what to do about this incompatibly ?  It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.

I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something).  Does anyone have another idea ?  If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond.  Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?

-W9RM



Keith Morehouse
via MotoG


Re: FT8 contest mode incompatibly

James Duffey
 

Scott - There were a couple of times when I heard you calling CQ on FT8 that I used the free form message to see if you would QSY to 2M. I never got a response, I wonder if you got the message or not. If you got it and didn’t want to QSY, that is OK, I see you were 6M only. If you got it and didn’t understand I would like to know that too, so I can change my technique in the future. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 22, 2019, at 14:14, Bill <bill4070@...> wrote:

Scott,

Nice work on 300+!

When working the DXpedition(s) I became obsessed about  stations sharing signal reports but not grids. That until Mike FKO reminded me that I had made legal contacts because I was not in a contest and therefore any exchange will pass for a legal contact...... even funny little numbers. I'll be glad when this newby confusion ends......

Bill W7QQ

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 1:29 PM Scott K5TA <k5ta@...> wrote:
To add a little extra confusion to the stew,  I have noticed that some people, mostly on (grid) DXpeditions have been calling CQ TEST outside of contests, especially on MSK144, probably looking for the shortest possible QSOs. 

My total is shown below. Very casual FT8 only. The big advantage of that mode for me is that I can sit in the bedroom watching TV with an iPad in my lap and work people via a remote desktop app. 

I did work TI2 for a new DXCC, and enough grids to put me over 300 if everyone uploads to LoTW.  I’m happy. 

-Scott K5TA 

<image1.jpeg>


On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:39 AM, James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:

Don’t worry about the NIL. I suspect that most of the guys doing that are casual contestants and won’t submit a log. 

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:00, KC7QY <kc7qy@...> wrote:

Keith,

I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came back with a 73 after my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.

Jim KC7QY


On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.

You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode.  No worries, you think.  The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through.  You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange.  You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence.  What ??  OK, maybe I got QRMed.  Try again, and same thing.  You can't progress to the finish.

What you do now is left to the individual.  What I did was terminate the Q and moved on.  You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode.  Whatever... the Q was either made or not.

What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me.  HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this.  Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ?  Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ?  I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.

This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test).  It's.....The Clones !!  Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV !  THEY don't have contest mode !   They can't autosequence past TX2.  So, what to do about this incompatibly ?  It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.

I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something).  Does anyone have another idea ?  If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond.  Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?

-W9RM



Keith Morehouse
via MotoG


Re: email posting to groups.io

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

.... and that's how I send the email:

From    : Jonesy W3DHJ <mailserver@...>
Reply-To: Jonesy W3DHJ <W3DHJ@...>
To      : NM VHF <nmvhf@groups.io>


Re: email posting to groups.io

Mike WB2FKO
 

Jonesy,

The email address that you subscribed with is mailserver@....  If you don't use that address when replying, the server will reject the message.  It is setup this way to prevent robots from spamming the list.

Mike WB2FKO

On 7/22/19 2:09 PM, Jonesy W3DHJ via Groups.Io wrote:
I cannot post via email to nmvhf@groups.io  -- I could in the past.
I tried several pre-contest schedule postings and the all came back:

Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
 
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; mailserver@...
Arrival-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:28:48 +0000 (UTC)
 
Final-Recipient: rfc822; nmvhf@groups.io
Original-Recipient: rfc822;nmvhf@groups.io
Action: failed
Status: 4.4.1
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; connect to lb01.groups.io[45.79.81.153]:25:
    Operation timed out

I _AM_ receiving all the posts of others, and in reading those
"reflected" email headers, I believe they are (successfully) posting by email.

Anybody else with this problem?
Any suggestions?

It's a PITA to have to use the browser UI....



Re: FT8 contest mode incompatibly

Bill
 

Scott,

Nice work on 300+!

When working the DXpedition(s) I became obsessed about  stations sharing signal reports but not grids. That until Mike FKO reminded me that I had made legal contacts because I was not in a contest and therefore any exchange will pass for a legal contact...... even funny little numbers. I'll be glad when this newby confusion ends......

Bill W7QQ


On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 1:29 PM Scott K5TA <k5ta@...> wrote:
To add a little extra confusion to the stew,  I have noticed that some people, mostly on (grid) DXpeditions have been calling CQ TEST outside of contests, especially on MSK144, probably looking for the shortest possible QSOs. 

My total is shown below. Very casual FT8 only. The big advantage of that mode for me is that I can sit in the bedroom watching TV with an iPad in my lap and work people via a remote desktop app. 

I did work TI2 for a new DXCC, and enough grids to put me over 300 if everyone uploads to LoTW.  I’m happy. 

-Scott K5TA 

image1.jpeg


On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:39 AM, James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:

Don’t worry about the NIL. I suspect that most of the guys doing that are casual contestants and won’t submit a log. 

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:00, KC7QY <kc7qy@...> wrote:

Keith,

I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came back with a 73 after my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.

Jim KC7QY


On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.

You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode.  No worries, you think.  The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through.  You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange.  You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence.  What ??  OK, maybe I got QRMed.  Try again, and same thing.  You can't progress to the finish.

What you do now is left to the individual.  What I did was terminate the Q and moved on.  You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode.  Whatever... the Q was either made or not.

What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me.  HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this.  Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ?  Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ?  I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.

This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test).  It's.....The Clones !!  Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV !  THEY don't have contest mode !   They can't autosequence past TX2.  So, what to do about this incompatibly ?  It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.

I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something).  Does anyone have another idea ?  If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond.  Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?

-W9RM



Keith Morehouse
via MotoG


email posting to groups.io

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

I cannot post via email to nmvhf@groups.io  -- I could in the past.
I tried several pre-contest schedule postings and the all came back:

Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
 
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; mailserver@...
Arrival-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:28:48 +0000 (UTC)
 
Final-Recipient: rfc822; nmvhf@groups.io
Original-Recipient: rfc822;nmvhf@groups.io
Action: failed
Status: 4.4.1
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; connect to lb01.groups.io[45.79.81.153]:25:
    Operation timed out

I _AM_ receiving all the posts of others, and in reading those
"reflected" email headers, I believe they are (successfully) posting by email.

Anybody else with this problem?
Any suggestions?

It's a PITA to have to use the browser UI....


After Action Report (DM77,DM78,DM87,DM88)

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

Well, there wasn't all that much "action"...
 
The 2M Es early on Saturday afternoon was nice --
-- which caused some confusion in my paper logging
when the 2M Es covered some of the same grids I
was also working on 6M!!
 
I want to thank the regional ops that worked me, W0ETT,
WE7L, K0NR, K5ZG, WB0RRU, KI0TI, and exo-regional W9RM!
And, a special thanks to the other front range,
indomitable rover: George, AB0YM/r.
 
QSOs by Activated Grid:
Grid QSOs
DM77 13
DM78  4
DM87 16
DM88 25
 
Score Summary
Band   QSOs  Value  QSOPts  Mults
50       37      1      37     33
144      21      2      42     14
 
Totals:  58             79     47
Claimed Score:               3713

Old school - SSB & CW

(groups.io offers lots of eye-candy options for posting,
but it seems you're out of luck if you want fixed-pitch test.)


Re: FT8 contest mode incompatibly

Scott K5TA
 

To add a little extra confusion to the stew,  I have noticed that some people, mostly on (grid) DXpeditions have been calling CQ TEST outside of contests, especially on MSK144, probably looking for the shortest possible QSOs. 

My total is shown below. Very casual FT8 only. The big advantage of that mode for me is that I can sit in the bedroom watching TV with an iPad in my lap and work people via a remote desktop app. 

I did work TI2 for a new DXCC, and enough grids to put me over 300 if everyone uploads to LoTW.  I’m happy. 

-Scott K5TA 

image1.jpeg


On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:39 AM, James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...> wrote:

Don’t worry about the NIL. I suspect that most of the guys doing that are casual contestants and won’t submit a log. 

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:00, KC7QY <kc7qy@...> wrote:

Keith,

I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came back with a 73 after my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.

Jim KC7QY


On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.

You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode.  No worries, you think.  The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through.  You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange.  You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence.  What ??  OK, maybe I got QRMed.  Try again, and same thing.  You can't progress to the finish.

What you do now is left to the individual.  What I did was terminate the Q and moved on.  You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode.  Whatever... the Q was either made or not.

What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me.  HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this.  Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ?  Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ?  I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.

This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test).  It's.....The Clones !!  Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV !  THEY don't have contest mode !   They can't autosequence past TX2.  So, what to do about this incompatibly ?  It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.

I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something).  Does anyone have another idea ?  If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond.  Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?

-W9RM



Keith Morehouse
via MotoG


Re: FT8 contest mode incompatibly

James Duffey
 

Don’t worry about the NIL. I suspect that most of the guys doing that are casual contestants and won’t submit a log. 

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:00, KC7QY <kc7qy@...> wrote:

Keith,

I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came back with a 73 after my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.

Jim KC7QY


On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.

You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode.  No worries, you think.  The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through.  You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange.  You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence.  What ??  OK, maybe I got QRMed.  Try again, and same thing.  You can't progress to the finish.

What you do now is left to the individual.  What I did was terminate the Q and moved on.  You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode.  Whatever... the Q was either made or not.

What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me.  HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this.  Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ?  Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ?  I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.

This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test).  It's.....The Clones !!  Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV !  THEY don't have contest mode !   They can't autosequence past TX2.  So, what to do about this incompatibly ?  It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.

I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something).  Does anyone have another idea ?  If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond.  Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?

-W9RM



Keith Morehouse
via MotoG


Re: FT8 contest mode incompatibly

James Duffey
 

Yes I saw this operating at W5UHF. At first I thought it was me as this was the first time I seriously operated FT8 in a contest, but Bill saw what was happening and enlightened me Those stations usually (always?) sent their grid in the CQ, which FT8 usually captured. When the station repeated the Marshall numbers, Bill told me to hit the rrr73 exchange, which gets the other guy out of the repeat mode and ends the contact. The grid is usually captured by FT8 and can be logged normally, but, if not, it is easy to fill it in by hand and log the QSO. 

This seemed to happen more on Saturday than Sunday. - Duffey

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

On Jul 22, 2019, at 09:35, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:

Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.

You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode.  No worries, you think.  The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through.  You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange.  You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence.  What ??  OK, maybe I got QRMed.  Try again, and same thing.  You can't progress to the finish.

What you do now is left to the individual.  What I did was terminate the Q and moved on.  You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode.  Whatever... the Q was either made or not.

What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me.  HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this.  Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ?  Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ?  I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.

This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test).  It's.....The Clones !!  Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV !  THEY don't have contest mode !   They can't autosequence past TX2.  So, what to do about this incompatibly ?  It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.

I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something).  Does anyone have another idea ?  If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond.  Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?

-W9RM



Keith Morehouse
via MotoG


Re: FT8 contest mode incompatibly

KC7QY
 

Keith,

I also saw a lot of non-TEST CQs. Generally I passed them by and worked the ones calling CQ Test (probably hurt my humble score but that's another story). The ones I did call or who called me when I was CQing generally came back with a 73 after my RR 73. Guess I'll have to wait for the log checking report to see how many NIL I get back.

Jim KC7QY


On Monday, July 22, 2019, 09:36:00 AM MDT, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:


Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.

You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode.  No worries, you think.  The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through.  You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange.  You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence.  What ??  OK, maybe I got QRMed.  Try again, and same thing.  You can't progress to the finish.

What you do now is left to the individual.  What I did was terminate the Q and moved on.  You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode.  Whatever... the Q was either made or not.

What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me.  HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this.  Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ?  Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ?  I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.

This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test).  It's.....The Clones !!  Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV !  THEY don't have contest mode !   They can't autosequence past TX2.  So, what to do about this incompatibly ?  It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.

I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something).  Does anyone have another idea ?  If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond.  Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?

-W9RM



Keith Morehouse
via MotoG


Re: W9RM CQWW-VHF

Bruce Draper
 

I can do 500 W + the 4 elements ;-)
Haven’t tried MSK, but I am set up for FT8.
Let’s talk about it...

    -Bruce 


On Monday, July 22, 2019, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:
Sounds like you've got a good system.

I need to work DM63 for my last NM grid.  It's too close for E skip, but it's do-able on scatter with enough power on the DM63 end.  Using one of the WSJTX modes with their better S/N, makes it even more likely.  It can also be effective any time of year, meaning one doesn't need to focus on those 3 months of potential sporadic E.

If you can put 100W on the air using MSK144 or FT8, I'll bet we could complete.  I'll also bet I'm not the only guy who needs that grid.  Morning meteor scatter at that power with 4 elements gives you 1000 mile capability.

-W9RM

Keith Morehouse
via MotoG

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 6:58 AM Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:
I operated on 6 for just a little while on Saturday in the spaces between dog class, shopping, yard work, and volleyball practice. But as others have pointed out, conditions were bad and few QSOs were made.

On Sunday morning I finished working on a 6-meter portable yagi that I’d started building on Friday, so I threw some gear in the truck and drove to a nice spot in DM64. It takes literally less than 2 minutes to take the yagi out of the vehicle, assemble it, and get it in the air. Another 2 minutes to start the generator and be on the air. With the better conditions, I worked a dozen stations from ABQ to SoCal while running only 15 Watts and the antenna at only 6 feet. SSB only, didn’t take the laptop for FT8. Didn’t stay out there long — it was just a test run, and it started raining not long after I arrived. But I at least demonstrated that I now have a portable station that I can use on the spur of the moment. BTW, electrically the antenna is a 4-el YU7EF design, but I mutated it to a snap-together PVC and wire affair. Seems to have a great pattern and good gain.

   -Bruce AA5B



On Sunday, July 21, 2019, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:
Wow...what a difference a few hundred miles makes.  After seeing some comments stations not that far back east, I feel like I was in a different country for this contest.


FT8 contest mode incompatibly

Keith Morehouse
 

Anyone seriously operating this weekends contest and using FT8 probably had this happen.

You're cruising .313 looking for those new mults or whatever, you see someone CQing WITHOUT the word TEST in the CQ message and you instinctively know they're not in contest mode.  No worries, you think.  The WSJTX boffins have tuned the program to compensate for the difference in exchange and you know autosequence will seamlessly pull you through.  You call and, sure enough, back comes the 'funny little number' exchange.  You reply with a NA contest mode exchange (because you're contesting, right ?) and.... back comes a repeat - no autosequence.  What ??  OK, maybe I got QRMed.  Try again, and same thing.  You can't progress to the finish.

What you do now is left to the individual.  What I did was terminate the Q and moved on.  You might have fiddled with the setup to switch out of contest mode.  Whatever... the Q was either made or not.

What this did, other then temporarily piss me off and cause name calling that nobody heard but me and the shack spiders, was confused me.  HOW could this happen....the boffins....they fixed this.  Was the other guy manually interfering with autosequence ?  Was the other guy that insistent on his funny number ?  I started ignoring those obviously not in contest mode.

This morning, after reading a soapbox comment on 3830, it finally hit me.... (I'm pretty focused on operating during the 'test).  It's.....The Clones !!  Those knock-offs of WSJT - JTDX, MHSV !  THEY don't have contest mode !   They can't autosequence past TX2.  So, what to do about this incompatibly ?  It's pretty obvious the clones aren't going to add CM if they haven't already and there are those contest haters that wouldn't use it anyway, but still insist on trying to WORK contesters.

I'm thinking maybe the solution is to add some kind of 'quick button' behavior to WSJTX that drops the program out of contest mode for just one Q and resets back into CM after the 73 (or something).  Does anyone have another idea ?  If a number of high level contesters presented such a request maybe the WSJT powers would respond.  Or, maybe you think it's a non-issue....or maybe a quick work around all ready exists that doesn't require a guy to drop in and change his setup and I'm just clueless ?

-W9RM



Keith Morehouse
via MotoG


Re: W9RM CQWW-VHF

Keith Morehouse
 

Sounds like you've got a good system.

I need to work DM63 for my last NM grid.  It's too close for E skip, but it's do-able on scatter with enough power on the DM63 end.  Using one of the WSJTX modes with their better S/N, makes it even more likely.  It can also be effective any time of year, meaning one doesn't need to focus on those 3 months of potential sporadic E.

If you can put 100W on the air using MSK144 or FT8, I'll bet we could complete.  I'll also bet I'm not the only guy who needs that grid.  Morning meteor scatter at that power with 4 elements gives you 1000 mile capability.

-W9RM

Keith Morehouse
via MotoG


On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 6:58 AM Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:
I operated on 6 for just a little while on Saturday in the spaces between dog class, shopping, yard work, and volleyball practice. But as others have pointed out, conditions were bad and few QSOs were made.

On Sunday morning I finished working on a 6-meter portable yagi that I’d started building on Friday, so I threw some gear in the truck and drove to a nice spot in DM64. It takes literally less than 2 minutes to take the yagi out of the vehicle, assemble it, and get it in the air. Another 2 minutes to start the generator and be on the air. With the better conditions, I worked a dozen stations from ABQ to SoCal while running only 15 Watts and the antenna at only 6 feet. SSB only, didn’t take the laptop for FT8. Didn’t stay out there long — it was just a test run, and it started raining not long after I arrived. But I at least demonstrated that I now have a portable station that I can use on the spur of the moment. BTW, electrically the antenna is a 4-el YU7EF design, but I mutated it to a snap-together PVC and wire affair. Seems to have a great pattern and good gain.

   -Bruce AA5B



On Sunday, July 21, 2019, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:
Wow...what a difference a few hundred miles makes.  After seeing some comments stations not that far back east, I feel like I was in a different country for this contest.