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Re: 6 mtrs, modes

Mike WB2FKO
 

FT8 was not designed to eliminate SSB on 6m, but to complement it. It's another tool in the arsenal and can be used when conditions don't support fast exchange SSB.  I operated for a couple hours this weekend and managed to make about a dozen FT8 QSOs when nothing was happening on 50.125.  Most of these QSOs involved inaudible signals (at least to my 59 year-old ears) with marginal conditions that are typical for this time of year.  Propagation was short-lived and erratic, but I never needed more than 90 seconds to get the needed information through.  45 seconds usually did the trick.  According to his QRZ page, I worked a guy in Ohio who was running low-power to an attic dipole.

If contest operators elect to use FT8 when propagation supports SSB, that's an unwise decision that will hurt their score.  I simply can't believe the contest community stops using SSB when 6m is wide-open as it usually is in June.  It makes no sense.

CW could be a different story.  My hunch is that FT8 or similar mode will eventually displace cw in marginal conditions.  It's more sensitive, far more reliable, and doesn't depend of the skill of the two operators which is sometimes incompatible.  When someone is CQ'ing at 30 wpm, I simply don't possess the ability to copy and reply.

Mike WB2FKO


Re: 6 mtrs, modes

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

On Sun, 20 May 2018, Keith Morehouse wrote:

Yep...I fear FT8 is going to kill contesting on 6M.
This June's VHF test will be very telling.

-W9RM
Yup... I'll be reviewing my experiences in the ARRL JUNE VHF and
the CQ WW VHF this Summer to see whether it's worth the effort
to continue my rover excursions.

Jonesy, W3DHJ
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Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | __ linux FreeBSD
38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | 73 SK


Re: 6 mtrs, modes

KC7QY
 

Bruce,

I just looked at DX Maps. There seems to be a pretty good Es opening in the midwest and lots of ops on SSB/CW. All is not lost to FT8. Still a LOT of FT8 activity as well though.

I caught a short SSB opening the other day and put 6 Qs in the log in about 5 minutes. Can't do that on FT8.
 
Jim KC7QY



From: Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...>
To: nmvhf@groups.io; nmbrc <nmbrc@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: [nmvhf] 6 mtrs, modes

I'm about to put my 6 meter antennas up again, and have been wondering if FT8 is still all the rage or if the digital frenzy might have cooled off since last Summer. I got my answer when I checked DX Maps this morning. One of the attached maps shows just CW and SSB spots, the other is just digital. Wow.

   73,
      Bruce AA5B





Re: 6 mtrs, modes

Keith Morehouse
 

Yep...I fear FT8 is going to kill contesting on 6M.  This June's VHF test will be very telling.

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
via Moto G


On Sun, May 20, 2018, 9:38 AM Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:
I'm about to put my 6 meter antennas up again, and have been wondering if FT8 is still all the rage or if the digital frenzy might have cooled off since last Summer. I got my answer when I checked DX Maps this morning. One of the attached maps shows just CW and SSB spots, the other is just digital. Wow.

   73,
      Bruce AA5B



Re: 6 mtrs, modes

Steve Hutcherson <Wb5cts@...>
 

You are correct Bruce!  I’m designing a mobile/P system based around my new FT-891.  Glad your hoisting them backup and will look for you from DM33. I’ll let Pete WA7JTM, N7AMA, K7jE and the other guys know here in the valley.

73 Hutch
WB5CTS 
DM33VO 


On May 20, 2018, at 7:38 AM, Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:

I'm about to put my 6 meter antennas up again, and have been wondering if FT8 is still all the rage or if the digital frenzy might have cooled off since last Summer. I got my answer when I checked DX Maps this morning. One of the attached maps shows just CW and SSB spots, the other is just digital. Wow.

   73,
      Bruce AA5B


<6mtr_cw_ssb.tiff>
<6mtr_digital.tiff>


6 mtrs, modes

Bruce Draper
 

I'm about to put my 6 meter antennas up again, and have been wondering if FT8 is still all the rage or if the digital frenzy might have cooled off since last Summer. I got my answer when I checked DX Maps this morning. One of the attached maps shows just CW and SSB spots, the other is just digital. Wow.

   73,
      Bruce AA5B



The Magic Band ( 50 mhz.)

pa3249@...
 

I got my email back, because I was not registered yet.

It's done now.


73'

Harry - PA3249




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Onderwerp: The Magic Band ( 50 mhz.)
 

Hello 6 meter enthusiasts.


Would you be so kind to forward this email to 6 meter radio clubs and anyone who is interested.


I'm SWL since 1971 and began listening in 1988 on 6 meter. Till now I've heard 176 countries (175 confirmed - waiting for the JW7QIA QSL).

I prefer to listen to SSB or CW contacts, but the last years more and more stations using the digital modes, so I can not stay behind.

Last year (2017) the Sporadic E season was super. I know it's easier to hear a rare country or locator, than to make contact with.

For me the real DX with SP/E started half May and the first time with the JT65 mode, I decode many JA stations and VU - A4 - A7 - E44 - 3A (rare one for 

northern Europe, because of mountains in 3A) - 9K - UN7 - DS - YI - BD0 - XE2JS (DL68) - PJ4 - OX - EK7DX - BV - HL. Last good DX (outside Eur.) opening was July 30.

And of course all European countries. 

The reason that I write this is to let you all know - don't think, it's not possible for me because of mountains or whatever. I got e-mails from stations ( who were giving

CQ for a long time without making a contact) who were very surprised that I had decode them and some of them informed me that they have never made contact with Europe. I'm sure that KL7 and VE6 and 7 are possible via SP/ E.

One thing is for sure: you must be patient -  need luck - it's a good help when you know where the ES clouds are, so check the sites, like:  https://www.dxmaps.com/spots/mapg.php?&HF=N&ML=M&Frec=50&Map=EU  and / or   http://www.on4kst.com/chat/start.php   and of course the sites

in the USA and Canada. 

I hope to hear / decode this year again more new DX stations on the Magic band and remember, keep 50.110 free for rare DX stations.

I'm using a homemade converter in a JRC NRD 545 DSP and the antenna is a 5 elem. dual yagi for 4 and 6 mtr. I hope to install the next month my new ant. the 6 elem.

LFA Quad.

For all a good SP/ E season.  I'm checking 6 meter 24 / 7 during the season. 


All the very best,

Harry - PA3249   This is my page:    http://qrzcq.com/call/PA3249





Re: grid rarity

Bruce Draper
 

Thanks for the input, folks!

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Arne N7KA <n7ka@...> wrote:

# of QSOs    FM28=1, FM29=24   That is out of 5696 6M QSOs.    Need FM14, FM25  and some decent propagation.

Arne N7KA
On April 30, 2018 at 3:44 PM Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:

In your experience, which is more rare, FM28 or FM29?
Gotta be 28, right? Half of it is water, and the other half is very sparsely populated.


Re: grid rarity

Arne N7KA
 

# of QSOs    FM28=1, FM29=24   That is out of 5696 6M QSOs.    Need FM14, FM25  and some decent propagation.

Arne N7KA

On April 30, 2018 at 3:44 PM Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:

In your experience, which is more rare, FM28 or FM29?
Gotta be 28, right? Half of it is water, and the other half is very sparsely populated.


Re: grid rarity

Keith Morehouse
 

I went back into the log since 2012, which is when I started operating from DM58.  Here's what I've worked on 6M, all double-hop of course.

FM29 - 21 QSO's
FM28 - 8 QSO's
FM27 - 5 QSO's, all with one station, N3MK
FM26 - 3 QSO's
FM25 - no QSO's

Next row west:

FM18, FM19 - > 20 QSO's per grid
FM17 - 14 QSO's
FM16 - 13 QSO's
FM15 - 1 QSO
FM14 - 3 QSO's
FM13 - none

-W9RM


Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:
In your experience, which is more rare, FM28 or FM29?
Gotta be 28, right? Half of it is water, and the other half is very sparsely populated.



Re: grid rarity

KC7QY
 

Bruce,

I'll second (third or whatever)  FM28. I have FM29 confirmed from Socorro with just my 100wts and 3el.
 
Jim KC7QY



From: Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...>
To: nmvhf@groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: [nmvhf] grid rarity

In your experience, which is more rare, FM28 or FM29?
Gotta be 28, right? Half of it is water, and the other half is very sparsely populated.



Re: grid rarity

Keith Morehouse
 

Oh - yeah.
Forgot about FM13 - another tough one due to lack of land mass :)
I need that one too from DM58.

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 3:57 PM, WB2FKO <mph@...> wrote:
I would agree...usually get into FM29 multiple times each summer and FM28 less often.  It's south of there that is much harder: FM13, FM14, FM15, and FM25.  It could be my proximity to the Sandia mts, or lack of activity there, but those grids are rare DX for me.  N7KA and N5JEH are probably the best local authorities on this question.  And I assume we are talking about 6m?  WB2FKO

On 04/30/2018 03:47 PM, Alan Shapiro via Groups.Io wrote:
Per my experience, you have it right.  Worked FM29 a couple of time, zip for FM28.

On 4/30/2018 3:44 PM, Bruce Draper wrote:
In your experience, which is more rare, FM28 or FM29?
Gotta be 28, right? Half of it is water, and the other half is very sparsely populated.




Re: grid rarity

Keith Morehouse
 

Really, neither are THAT rare if you live within single hop distance.
FM25 is much more difficult to work (and the only one of the FM's I need for FFMA from DM58

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Bruce Draper <bruceaa5b@...> wrote:
In your experience, which is more rare, FM28 or FM29?
Gotta be 28, right? Half of it is water, and the other half is very sparsely populated.



Re: grid rarity

Mike WB2FKO
 

I would agree...usually get into FM29 multiple times each summer and FM28 less often.  It's south of there that is much harder: FM13, FM14, FM15, and FM25.  It could be my proximity to the Sandia mts, or lack of activity there, but those grids are rare DX for me.  N7KA and N5JEH are probably the best local authorities on this question.  And I assume we are talking about 6m?  WB2FKO

On 04/30/2018 03:47 PM, Alan Shapiro via Groups.Io wrote:
Per my experience, you have it right.  Worked FM29 a couple of time, zip for FM28.

On 4/30/2018 3:44 PM, Bruce Draper wrote:
In your experience, which is more rare, FM28 or FM29?
Gotta be 28, right? Half of it is water, and the other half is very sparsely populated.



Re: grid rarity

Alan Shapiro
 

Per my experience, you have it right.  Worked FM29 a couple of time, zip for FM28.

On 4/30/2018 3:44 PM, Bruce Draper wrote:
In your experience, which is more rare, FM28 or FM29?
Gotta be 28, right? Half of it is water, and the other half is very sparsely populated.


grid rarity

Bruce Draper
 

In your experience, which is more rare, FM28 or FM29?
Gotta be 28, right? Half of it is water, and the other half is very sparsely populated.


Re: 144 MHZ Spring Sprint - Monday 4/9 1900-2300 local

Michael Daly
 

Keith,

This is Mike in Gallup.

I have too much going on to participate.  Thanks for the offer.

73,

Mike, n5sj

 

From: nmvhf@groups.io [mailto:nmvhf@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 12:52 PM
To: nmvhf@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nmvhf] 144 MHZ Spring Sprint - Monday 4/9 1900-2300 local

 

Hi Keith,

I'm pretty low key on the sprints but I'll give yo a call during the first hour. Thx for offering.

Bill W7QQ DM75ao

 

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:

The 2M Spring Sprint is tomorrow evening, local time.  Exchange callsigns and 4-character grid.  Log submissions will be your report on 3830scores.com.

 

I'm not planning to operate (too little local activity) but can be available during the first hour if anybody in the club wants a QSO and new multiplier from DM58.

 

-W9RM  DM58xn


Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO

 


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Re: 144 MHZ Spring Sprint - Monday 4/9 1900-2300 local

Keith Morehouse
 

OK Bill - I'll be listening on 144.200 starting at 1900 local tomorrow night, pointed toward Santa Fe and ABQ.

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Bill <bill4070@...> wrote:
Hi Keith,

I'm pretty low key on the sprints but I'll give yo a call during the first hour. Thx for offering.

Bill W7QQ DM75ao

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:
The 2M Spring Sprint is tomorrow evening, local time.  Exchange callsigns and 4-character grid.  Log submissions will be your report on 3830scores.com.

I'm not planning to operate (too little local activity) but can be available during the first hour if anybody in the club wants a QSO and new multiplier from DM58.

-W9RM  DM58xn

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO




Re: 144 MHZ Spring Sprint - Monday 4/9 1900-2300 local

Bill
 

Hi Keith,

I'm pretty low key on the sprints but I'll give yo a call during the first hour. Thx for offering.

Bill W7QQ DM75ao

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Keith Morehouse <w9rm@...> wrote:
The 2M Spring Sprint is tomorrow evening, local time.  Exchange callsigns and 4-character grid.  Log submissions will be your report on 3830scores.com.

I'm not planning to operate (too little local activity) but can be available during the first hour if anybody in the club wants a QSO and new multiplier from DM58.

-W9RM  DM58xn

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO



144 MHZ Spring Sprint - Monday 4/9 1900-2300 local

Keith Morehouse
 

The 2M Spring Sprint is tomorrow evening, local time.  Exchange callsigns and 4-character grid.  Log submissions will be your report on 3830scores.com.

I'm not planning to operate (too little local activity) but can be available during the first hour if anybody in the club wants a QSO and new multiplier from DM58.

-W9RM  DM58xn

Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO

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