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I do. Until 6 years ago, I was able to take advantage of it.
I recall a bad cold wave around Thanksgiving one year, when the Great Lakes were still warm and ice free. A duct set up over the lakes and up the St Lawrence valley that allowed me to work K1WHS in Maine on 2, 222 & 432, along with VE2's from EN52 - well over 800 miles. And, 2M QSOs all the way to VE1. On 432, I was using a single 9WL yagi at 40' and 200W.
I also had a 'everyday' range of close to 400 miles on 2M troposcatter with a 5WL yagi at 75'. Well set-up rovers could be worked out to 300-350 miles on 6 & 2M. That's actually not too much different from what I see here in DM58. Unfortunately, many local rovers are just not set up for longer haul stuff like they were in the upper Midwest. They mostly have a 'work local' attitude. You would never see serious rovers in IL, WI or MN counting on loops for 6 or 2. The easily worked 6M rovers ran full size antennas, even if it was just a dipole or beam driven element. It made a huge difference.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 3:35 PM Steve London <n2ic@...
Last week, there were several -days- of 2 meter propagation between Mississippi
and Ontario/Western NY, to the west of Dorian. Eat your heart out.
On 09/13/2019 03:29 PM, Keith Morehouse wrote:
> A random observation...
> There is troposcatter and then there is tropospheric ducting, which is what most
> VHF+ ops from east of the continental divide (and some west coasters) are
> familiar with, when 2M and above 'opens' over paths exceeding 3-400 miles.
> While troposcatter is a useable propagating mode most anywhere and accountable
> for a good majority of those 300 mile Q's on 10M and above, tropo ducting is
> another animal altogether and rarely appears in areas of drastically variable
> terrain like central and western Colorado. The temperature inversions that
> often (always ??) cause ducting to occur are usually at low enough elevations
> that they are blocked by high terrain. Plus, inversions go hand in hand with
> atmospheric moisture content, something hard to come by in the dry southwest.
> My current humidity here in DM58 is 15%, which actually is high for this time of
> Keith Morehouse
> via MotoG
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 3:08 PM James Duffey <JamesDuffey@...
> <mailto:JamesDuffey@...>> wrote:
> I was referring to the Olathe-Amarillo path. Tropo losses rise steeply
> beyond 300 miles. Six and two are not too different with respect to the plot
> below. Meteor scatter starts to overcome tropo at about 350 miles, depending
> on station capability. WSJT-X helps, but at those distances MSK144 is
> probably better than FT8 or FT4 for that path. Typical modest station
> capability on 2M is about 200dB, less on 6M roughly by the difference in
> antenna gains.
> The difference in large part is due to the height of the scattering media;
> for troposatter it is about 35,000 ft or below, for meteor scatter is it 60
> miles or so. - Duffey
> James Duffey KK6MC
> Cedar Crest NM
> > On Sep 13, 2019, at 13:42, Steve London <n2ic@...
> <mailto:n2ic@...>> wrote:
> > Albuquerque-to-Amarillo: 269 miles. Once you get over the Sandia's, it's
> a mostly downhill-to-flat path.
> > Olathe-to-Amarillo: 410 miles.
> > For reference, My QTH in DM52XT to Santa Fe is 240 miles. Can work W7QQ
> on 6 and 2.
> > 73,
> > Steve, N2IC
> >> On 09/13/2019 10:29 AM, Arne N7KA wrote:
> >> I am hearing him and decoding.
> >> Arne N7KA
> >>> On September 13, 2019 at 10:20 AM Ed <n5jeh@...
> <mailto:n5jeh@...>> wrote:
> >>> MSK 144 would work better for that distance with no other propagation
> to help. Just MHO
> >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
> >>> *ED N5JEH DM65RD *
> >>> *From: *Arne N7KA <mailto:N7KA@... <mailto:N7KA@...>>
> >>> *Sent: *Friday, September 13, 2019 8:52 AM
> >>> *To: *NMVHF <mailto:email@example.com <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>>
> >>> *Subject: *[nmvhf] DM95
> >>> I copied N5KS on 6M FT8 yesterday with good sigs -8 to -14. I am
> trying to work him for new 6M grid and sent him an email about looking this
> way and into Olathe during the contest this weeked. He is in Amarillo.
> N5EPA might have a good chance, possibly W7QQ.
> >>> Arne N7KA